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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#21 - 2014-02-06 22:48:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
There are edicts banning tattooing for one, Ms. Farel. You can probably find the details with a search for tattoos through lawbooks or on GalNet.
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-02-06 23:03:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolas Merovech
Before I raise objections from the IGS's resident nationalists, I shall establish my credentials as an ethnically Gallente man speaking on Minmatar history,

I was born to the Seyrvind clan of the Vherokior tribe, in the dunes of the great Sobaki Desert, at the height of the Ammar's occupation of Matar. I was separated from my mother, of the Intaki and a Sister of Eve, during a slaver raid. My father, an operative with Federal intelligence, "bought" me so that I may fight in his nation's war against the Caldari. After that, I returned to my tribe as a very old man in a new body to help them rebuild.

The Minmatar abandoned the idea of an empire simply because they had suffered under such a system. They decided that preserving their tribal identities while operating in an inter-tribal system of cooperation is best for their people. Certainly, in my opinion, contact with the Gallente influenced this decision. However, the desire to preserve tribal and individual autonomy was the overriding factor in choosing this style of government.

The big difference between the Gallente's democracy and the Matari Republic lies within limits placed on their respective governments by the law. Both forms of government use a representational system where citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government. However, in a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a pure democracy, as in the Gallente Federation, the majority is not restrained and can impose its will on the minority. Where the Federation is governed by the "will of the people," the Republic is governed by Tribal Law.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#23 - 2014-02-06 23:10:16 UTC
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Before I raise objections as a Gallente man speaking on Minmatar history, I shall establish my credentials.


There appears to be some confusion over the fact historians write about more than their own culture. Given that the Matari are demonstrably incapable of writing their own history, it's for the best. At least someone will be able to do it for them.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#24 - 2014-02-06 23:15:54 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Nauplius wrote:

And we were right to do so, and we shall do it again, and again, we shall be right to do so.


If you have to even say it, then it must be to reassure yourself that you have nothing to fear.
It is like listening to a caught Raven threatening about his friends in super-capitals and how he will destroy your entire corporation as you melt him.


To quote Mx Riordan,

Much scare,
Very fright.

I think Nauppie here needs a vacation, his comment lacks his normal.... artistic, depth. Might I recommend taking some time off to read a book, go fishing, or visit a pleasure hub?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-02-06 23:39:12 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Before I raise objections as a Gallente man speaking on Minmatar history, I shall establish my credentials.


There appears to be some confusion over the fact historians write about more than their own culture. Given that the Matari are demonstrably incapable of writing their own history, it's for the best. At least someone will be able to do it for them.


Once again Noh, you have brilliantly taken something completely out of context. No doubt you posted your asinine comment immediately after reading the first sentence. In any case, I reworded it for clarification.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#26 - 2014-02-06 23:54:54 UTC
Nicolas Merovech wrote:

I was born to the Seyrvind clan of the Vherokior tribe, in the dunes of the great Sobaki Desert, at the height of the Ammar's occupation of Matar.



I'm not calling you a liar or anything, but how old are you? My great grandfather participated in the Rebellion... 136 years ago.

-Eran
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#27 - 2014-02-07 00:44:21 UTC
Yeah, I've noticed a tendency where people act like the whole rebellion thing happened just last week.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#28 - 2014-02-07 00:47:42 UTC
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Before I raise objections as a Gallente man speaking on Minmatar history, I shall establish my credentials.


There appears to be some confusion over the fact historians write about more than their own culture. Given that the Matari are demonstrably incapable of writing their own history, it's for the best. At least someone will be able to do it for them.


Once again Noh, you have brilliantly taken something completely out of context. No doubt you posted your asinine comment immediately after reading the first sentence. In any case, I reworded it for clarification.


It's a pity you didn't reword the rest of you bland, useless little post. The poor Matari must still go without. I suppose there is nothing for it, I shall simply have to start writing their history myself.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#29 - 2014-02-07 00:58:44 UTC
Or perhaps you'll choke on one of those toes you nibble on and we'll be done listening to your incessant, inconsequential ramblings.

-Eran
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#30 - 2014-02-07 01:01:32 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Or perhaps you'll choke on one of those toes you nibble on and we'll be done listening to your incessant, inconsequential ramblings.

-Eran


Are you not capable of being done on your own? Must Mummy do everything?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#31 - 2014-02-07 01:03:24 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
Before I raise objections as a Gallente man speaking on Minmatar history, I shall establish my credentials.


There appears to be some confusion over the fact historians write about more than their own culture. Given that the Matari are demonstrably incapable of writing their own history, it's for the best. At least someone will be able to do it for them.


Once again Noh, you have brilliantly taken something completely out of context. No doubt you posted your asinine comment immediately after reading the first sentence. In any case, I reworded it for clarification.


It's a pity you didn't reword the rest of you bland, useless little post. The poor Matari must still go without. I suppose there is nothing for it, I shall simply have to start writing their history myself.

Ohohoh, make it a steamy romance novel. About how the reclamation only happened because the emperess wanted to keep her Minmatar lover close. That would be s good read.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#32 - 2014-02-07 01:18:57 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Or perhaps you'll choke on one of those toes you nibble on and we'll be done listening to your incessant, inconsequential ramblings.

-Eran


Are you not capable of being done on your own? Must Mummy do everything?


You need medical attention.

-Eran
Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#33 - 2014-02-07 10:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kade Jeekin
Without more information there is no way to know in which way the description "empire" was used. Throughout history, the term has been used in many different ways, sometimes completely arbitrarily. So, all speculation on what it was like, or what we should try to regain, is fallacy.

For my own fallacious speculation: An oligarchy of tribal elders governing a widely distributed and ethnically diverse population fits well enough to a broad use of the word.

Since the Elders are those who have preserved much of the oral information, and it was they who instigated the current assembly, then we can assume that the current form of the Minmatar Empire has enough of the past in it to satiate the nostalgic.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2014-02-07 14:30:48 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
There are edicts banning tattooing for one, Ms. Farel. You can probably find the details with a search for tattoos through lawbooks or on GalNet.


Ah yes, but it is not "the details", but just single lines referring to the eradication of the Minmatar identity.

Actually, there is almost nothing left everywhere on that specific series of imperial edicts, which I find highly disturbing.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-02-07 17:37:32 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

Ah yes, but it is not "the details", but just single lines referring to the eradication of the Minmatar identity.

Actually, there is almost nothing left everywhere on that specific series of imperial edicts, which I find highly disturbing.


The fact that those edicts and records have been eradicated should not surprise you. The fact it disturbs you only speaks positively about your character.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-02-07 18:57:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolas Merovech
Eran Mintor wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:

I was born to the Seyrvind clan of the Vherokior tribe, in the dunes of the great Sobaki Desert, at the height of the Ammar's occupation of Matar.



I'm not calling you a liar or anything, but how old are you? My great grandfather participated in the Rebellion... 136 years ago.

-Eran


209. I was born right around when Quafe first hit the shelves, I think.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2014-02-08 10:11:29 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

Ah yes, but it is not "the details", but just single lines referring to the eradication of the Minmatar identity.

Actually, there is almost nothing left everywhere on that specific series of imperial edicts, which I find highly disturbing.


The fact that those edicts and records have been eradicated should not surprise you. The fact it disturbs you only speaks positively about your character.


Uh... I think you may read a bit too much into what I said...

It is not the only historical subject where information is scarce.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-02-08 21:46:10 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

Uh... I think you may read a bit too much into what I said...

It is not the only historical subject where information is scarce.


I can see you are very astute.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
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