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What happened to the stuff Incarna was supposed to bring?

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Marsan
#61 - 2014-02-07 00:31:36 UTC
My impression was it was less about WiS than about lack of fixes for suck chest wound class of bugs, and outrage against pay to win golden bullets. Most players won't mind walking in station if didn't impact development of other aspects of the game. Nor do they object to pay for barbie's dress up. What happened is CCP work up to an enraged player base who didn't care about WiS, but cared about flying in space. They adjusted development resources to fill what the players actually want rather than walking in station.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#62 - 2014-02-07 01:50:31 UTC
Sarah Nalelmir wrote:
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Sarah Nalelmir wrote:

In the second one watch past the first 40 seconds.

Not all of it is dust !!

My point is they were near to some form of release of station walking that would have allowed us to stretch our legs beyond the quarters.

Agreed not fully functioning but certainly alpha/beta finished. The station interiors do exist but were abandoned


That footage was released 6 or more years ago. It was built using the Unreal Engine, a project that was ultimately dropped because CCP wanted to build their own CARBON engine, which Eve now runs on. I am afraid that footage is more or less irrelevant now except for people to be pissed that CCP didn't just use the original Unreal Engine game play.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but people have known about that stuff for some time. The latest in station footage to get released was leaked from a demo of the very early gameplay of the Exploration Prototype, from two years or so ago. Looked great, but it was built in Unity and would need to be remade from scratch using CARBON (as far as I am aware).


Also Effect One (Rhes alt?), my Torfi quote trumps your Rise quote;

CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Like stated above, our vision is to make the EVE Universe the ultimate science fiction simulator. Saying that EVE is just about spaceships, is a bit like saying that phones should only be about making voice phone calls one on one with other people.


Also, another quote from a dev who has been here longer than Rise;

CCP Aporia wrote:
CCP Rise's opinion voiced during his reddit IamA was reasonable, but just because the focus is mainly on the spaceship game does not mean that nobody here has an interest to make meaningful Avatar gameplay within the EVE universe happen. (-:



Interesting thanks ! :)


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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-02-07 01:59:03 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Sarah Nalelmir wrote:

In the second one watch past the first 40 seconds.

Not all of it is dust !!

My point is they were near to some form of release of station walking that would have allowed us to stretch our legs beyond the quarters.

Agreed not fully functioning but certainly alpha/beta finished. The station interiors do exist but were abandoned


That footage was released 6 or more years ago. It was built using the Unreal Engine, a project that was ultimately dropped because CCP wanted to build their own CARBON engine, which Eve now runs on. I am afraid that footage is more or less irrelevant now except for people to be pissed that CCP didn't just use the original Unreal Engine game play.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but people have known about that stuff for some time. The latest in station footage to get released was leaked from a demo of the very early gameplay of the Exploration Prototype, from two years or so ago. Looked great, but it was built in Unity and would need to be remade from scratch using CARBON (as far as I am aware).


Also Effect One (Rhes alt?), my Torfi quote trumps your Rise quote;

CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Like stated above, our vision is to make the EVE Universe the ultimate science fiction simulator. Saying that EVE is just about spaceships, is a bit like saying that phones should only be about making voice phone calls one on one with other people.


Also, another quote from a dev who has been here longer than Rise;

CCP Aporia wrote:
CCP Rise's opinion voiced during his reddit IamA was reasonable, but just because the focus is mainly on the spaceship game does not mean that nobody here has an interest to make meaningful Avatar gameplay within the EVE universe happen. (-:


Those quotes are meaningless while there isn't a single developer working on WiS nonsense. They can envision or "have an interest" in whatever they want but as long as there's nobody actually writing code for additional WiS stuff it's all just pandering to delusional roleplayers.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-02-07 02:19:13 UTC
you know, I have this fond fantasy that maybe there'll be a presentation at Fanfest where they roll out this working demo of EoF content complete with avatar combat and cool corporate-espionage based gameplay and stuff, and the dev presenting it will take a moment to say "Oh, and this goes out to that tireless forum warrior Rhes"

At which point they just raise a middle finger towards the stream camera and everybody starts cheering.

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Author of The Deathworlders
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#65 - 2014-02-07 02:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Billy McCandless
Stitcher wrote:


At which point they just raise a middle finger towards the stream camera and everybody starts cheering.


seams unlyickley

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Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#66 - 2014-02-07 02:20:57 UTC
I love the aesthetics of the Captains Quarters, of having your character in a real environment. All the character creation stuff is pretty moot without it- it hardly gets shown off. But people are absolutely right, it's auxiliary to a game that's about spaceships, CCP can't dedicate resources to developing it for EVE.

That's why I was excited for WoD- it looks like they took what they had in EVE and ran with it, trying to make a game where all that stuff matters more and they can justify developing it for that game's sake.

So when I asked if they'd thought about using that to feed back improvements to EVE and kept the two compatible, I was very disappointed to learn that WoD had forked away from EVE and there wasn't any plans to use it a a sly way to improve EVE's character stuff off the back of it. Missed a trick there, CCP.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#67 - 2014-02-07 02:27:31 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
That footage was released 6 or more years ago. It was built using the Unreal Engine, a project that was ultimately dropped because CCP wanted to build their own CARBON engine, which Eve now runs on. I am afraid that footage is more or less irrelevant now except for people to be pissed that CCP didn't just use the original Unreal Engine game play.
Are you sure about that? If you're talking about the FF2008 “vertical slice”, it certainly didn't look or feel anything like UE.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-02-07 02:38:27 UTC
Billy McCandless wrote:
Stitcher wrote:


At which point they just raise a middle finger towards the stream camera and everybody starts cheering.


seems unlikely


Fantasies usually are.

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Author of The Deathworlders
Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#69 - 2014-02-07 07:48:13 UTC
Another thread. Big smile

I got about two pages in and saw all the same misconceptions, old arguments and usual suspects. Was left banging my head against the door in my Captain's Quarters afterwards.

But heh, in any event it's lovely to see a constant stream of threads asking about, or showing a desire for, WiS. Cool

Have fun Rhes, etc.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#70 - 2014-02-07 07:51:15 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Billy McCandless wrote:
Stitcher wrote:


At which point they just raise a middle finger towards the stream camera and everybody starts cheering.


seems unlikely


Fantasies usually are.

Maybe you just need to lower your fantasy-standards, Mr Stitcher.

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Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#71 - 2014-02-07 07:53:57 UTC
CCP has said that they want to do something more with avatars. It's just a matter of resources and when.

Don't hold your breath though.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#72 - 2014-02-07 08:31:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
That footage was released 6 or more years ago. It was built using the Unreal Engine, a project that was ultimately dropped because CCP wanted to build their own CARBON engine, which Eve now runs on. I am afraid that footage is more or less irrelevant now except for people to be pissed that CCP didn't just use the original Unreal Engine game play.
Are you sure about that? If you're talking about the FF2008 “vertical slice”, it certainly didn't look or feel anything like UE.


I seem to vaguely recall hearing it was made with Unreal as well, but I couldn't find you a reference. No idea where I heard that.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#73 - 2014-02-07 09:24:39 UTC
Rhes wrote:
[No, that's what a tiny fraction of the playerbase wants.

Sez you.

Back up your assertions with numbers or that's all it is an assertion.

You might not want WIS but a lot of people, including me,do. I was looking forward to having another way of interacting with the game and other players. Personally I find it difficult to relate to a talking spaceship and would much prefer to talk face to face with a human being.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#74 - 2014-02-08 00:43:43 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
CCP has said that they want to do something more with avatars. It's just a matter of resources and when.

Don't hold your breath though.



CCP says they want to do everything.

Will they do everything?

No. They won't.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#75 - 2014-02-08 21:07:30 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
you know, I have this fond fantasy that maybe there'll be a presentation at Fanfest where they roll out this working demo of EoF content complete with avatar combat and cool corporate-espionage based gameplay and stuff, and the dev presenting it will take a moment to say "Oh, and this goes out to that tireless forum warrior Rhes"

At which point they just raise a middle finger towards the stream camera and everybody starts cheering.


I would pay an increased sub for that,, lol

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#76 - 2014-02-08 21:09:30 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
CCP has said that they want to do something more with avatars. It's just a matter of resources and when.

Don't hold your breath though.


I agree it's just a matter of time before we have avatar content, it's inevitable.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#77 - 2014-02-08 21:11:52 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
CCP has said that they want to do something more with avatars. It's just a matter of resources and when.

Don't hold your breath though.


I agree it's just a matter of time before we have avatar content, it's inevitable.


I love your hopefulness, but the ultimate destruction of our universe is also inevitable. But it might take hundreds of billions or years. CCP have been saying they will do it for almost a year longer than I have been playing. If we have to wait another 6 years, that might as well be never as far as most of us are concerned.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#78 - 2014-02-08 21:21:43 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
CCP has said that they want to do something more with avatars. It's just a matter of resources and when.

Don't hold your breath though.


I agree it's just a matter of time before we have avatar content, it's inevitable.


I love your hopefulness, but the ultimate destruction of our universe is also inevitable. But it might take hundreds of billions or years. CCP have been saying they will do it for almost a year longer than I have been playing. If we have to wait another 6 years, that might as well be never as far as most of us are concerned.


Too true, but I think that if we show that a significant proportion of the players base wants it and repeatedly post our support for it then I think it will come sooner rather than later. Also the potential to expand game play, deepen immersion and increase the number of subscribers is limitless.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
#79 - 2014-02-08 21:22:48 UTC
Playing Holo Chess in a Bar with a corp mate seems much more enjoyable than spinning your ship until a fleet pops up no? Cool
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#80 - 2014-02-08 23:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Aver Bheskagor wrote:
What happened to all of that stuff?


It all got ground up into a bunch of worthless DUST.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0