Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Is this the "We Need More Gate Camp Spots!" thread? Am I too late?

By breaking up these connections between empires would not change your mission running in any way.

^^Good Point

Unless you're in something small, high-sec ganks are blobs just like in low. How can you use that for your justification since the same behavior can be found in high-sec?

I think what a lot of people misunderstand when some of us ask for Empire to be split up we are not necessarily asking for PvEers, Industrialists, or carebears to be "forced" into doing something that they don't really want to do.

High-sec will largely remain as is. So people can still run missions... build stuff... mine... etc. Nothing about that will change.

What a "split up" means to many of us is that there be low-sec border zones between all the empires. That means if you want to ship something from say... Jita to Amarr... you have to cross through a "border zone" comprised of low-sec systems.

This will have more of an economic impact on the game than anything else... encouraging people to build, sell, and buy stuff more locally... rely more on local miners and industrialists (creating new niche markets and agreements)... and creating true price variances between different trade hubs which can reward those haulers/traders and PvPers alike (see: protection rackets).

Now how many jumps of low-sec will separate the empires? It doesn't have to be vast... maybe 1 or 2 systems gap... extra high-sec to low-sec connections can be added to provide many more alternative routes (so there are fewer chokepoints to be squeezed into)... and maybe turn the border gates themselves into regional gates (making them much harder to camp, but not impossible).


Way back in the day there were high-sec "superhighways" linking the different empires together. This was kept around because the server population was low and the economy was more dependent on the fewer people mining, building, and shipping stuff.
When EVE grew to a certain point, those "superhighways" were removed to create a greater separation (through travel time) between the various regions and encourage more localized economies.

I think we are slowly reaching (or have reached) a new point where we have enough people feeding the EVE's in-game economy to sustain truly regional economies.

Think of it... the prices for the LP Faction Mods from different factions will actually have much more value outside of the empire they were gained in (rather than the 5 to 15% differences we see now). The prices of ores and minerals in one trade hub will no longer be directly dictated by the prices of those same things in another trade hub 20 or 30 jumps away. And there will be an actual reason for PvPers in one area to make deals with their local industrialists or traders rather than "fire up alt... buy in Jita... haul 30 jumps... set up."


I won't disagree that there won't be economic turmoil at first (along with the vicious rage of Incusion Runners because now they can't easily just hop from one site over to the next)... but if any of us "veterans" have seen anything, it's that eventually things settle down and reach an equilibrium of sorts... especially if a large enough profit margin is involved.

This is just another factional interest making special pleadings.

Multiplayer does not mean blobs. All it means is that a lot of people can play the game at the same time.

A common misconception that keeps cropping up.

It is perfectly reasonable to play a multiplayer game as an individual, as many of the people in hi-sec do.

You play the way you want to and have the courtesy to allow others to play as they wish.

So you want to play your spaceships simcity alone without any interuptions?

Ok, now, please tell me how lowsec or nullsec systems prevent that? Do you now go into lowsec? I assume not. So, after this change, would you go into lowsec? No. What would change for your playstyle? Nothing.

I want to be clear that this or the threadnought of 55 pages, has nothing to do with 'nerf highsec'.

Highsec space would be the same, only change would be that you could not travel freely between empires.

don't forget that in past you would not get cynoed 10+ supers into your convoy.....
These days people do this just for lulz

this is the difference: you simply have no chance against any rich group of players to defend your freighter

how about a new Mini freighter for low sec with bonus to Target breaker

well heres one, instead of 1 continent you would have 4, anyone who has no interest in feeding your e-peen with their indy will still stay in hi-sec. Your "solution" would achieve nothing.