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[Rubicon 1.3] New way of acquiring the Astero, Stratios and Nestor

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Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#141 - 2014-02-04 18:26:48 UTC
The Nestor is probably the worst pirate faction battleship available and as such CCP need to do whatever they can to bring the price down to around 500 million isk.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2014-02-05 01:18:29 UTC
Quinn Corvez wrote:
The Nestor is probably the worst pirate faction battleship available and as such CCP need to do whatever they can to bring the price down to around 500 million isk.


Well to be fair the Rattlesnake is worse ... but they sell for 400 mill if you shop around.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#143 - 2014-02-05 07:04:41 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Well to be fair the Rattlesnake is worse ... but they sell for 400 mill if you shop around.

You're on crack if you think this...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2014-02-05 09:14:42 UTC
Although this will boost the value of doing drone sites I think the drone sites really need to have "Sentient" modules created to give them real apeal. I for one ALWAYS ignore drone anomalies and signatures because they are simply not worth the time.

I feel I am not alone in this regard.

This is a lot of content that is being ignored which could very simply be fixed with the introduction of:

Sentient *Drone Upgrades*
Sentient *Tanking Modules*
Sentient *Engineering / Electronics Modules*
Sentient *Weapons* - most likely laser weapons

Also, a range of Rogue Drone "Deadspace" modules Would give these sites great value and would stop them from being ignored.

Rogue Drone ships will not become available and I think that's fine. There are already a lot of Drone ships in game and this Nexus Chip drop for SoE BPC's is a perfect idea for it. But please. For the love of EvE. Give us Sentient Module Drops.

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2014-02-05 10:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Quinn Corvez wrote:
The Nestor is probably the worst pirate faction battleship available and as such CCP need to do whatever they can to bring the price down to around 500 million isk.


Well to be fair the Rattlesnake is worse ... but they sell for 400 mill if you shop around.


If we're just talking about damage and tank ability, the Rattlesnake is better than the Nestor i virtually every way. The only thing the Nestor has over the Rattlesnake is the extra 0.5 AU/s warp speed which isn't worth anything.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
#146 - 2014-02-05 10:35:27 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Although this will boost the value of doing drone sites I think the drone sites really need to have "Sentient" modules created to give them real apeal. I for one ALWAYS ignore drone anomalies and signatures because they are simply not worth the time.

I feel I am not alone in this regard.

This is a lot of content that is being ignored which could very simply be fixed with the introduction of:

Sentient *Drone Upgrades*
Sentient *Tanking Modules*
Sentient *Engineering / Electronics Modules*
Sentient *Weapons* - most likely laser weapons

Also, a range of Rogue Drone "Deadspace" modules Would give these sites great value and would stop them from being ignored.

Rogue Drone ships will not become available and I think that's fine. There are already a lot of Drone ships in game and this Nexus Chip drop for SoE BPC's is a perfect idea for it. But please. For the love of EvE. Give us Sentient Module Drops.



besides that it would help, if drones hat the full range of anomalies the other factions have. Despite that the site variety itself needs to be reworked, as most of them are not worth it.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#147 - 2014-02-05 16:15:04 UTC
People keep saying the Rattlesnake is a worthless ship for some reason, prices are so low because they never die.

The Nestor doesn't have the cap, powergrid, or the ehp of other pirate battleships, much less one expected to act as logi while firing lasers.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2014-02-05 16:34:36 UTC
Having ships come from drone sites with out any faction mods is kind of a kick in the nuts.
Don't even care about drone deadspace mods, those would be kind of out of place because of all the other deadspace mods fill the niche for tanking and propulsion.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2014-02-05 17:59:59 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Having ships come from drone sites with out any faction mods is kind of a kick in the nuts.
Don't even care about drone deadspace mods, those would be kind of out of place because of all the other deadspace mods fill the niche for tanking and propulsion.


Having drones drop sisters of eve ship lottery tickets is just pathetic. The storyline has been abandoned in order to avoid doing the right thing - cheapen or improve the Nestor.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2014-02-05 18:31:31 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Having ships come from drone sites with out any faction mods is kind of a kick in the nuts.
Don't even care about drone deadspace mods, those would be kind of out of place because of all the other deadspace mods fill the niche for tanking and propulsion.


Having drones drop sisters of eve ship lottery tickets is just pathetic. The storyline has been abandoned in order to avoid doing the right thing - cheapen or improve the Nestor.

I gave up any hope for the Nestor immediately after looking at it OP. It was a unnecessary ship from the start.

This whole thing is a bad move from to have drone sites drop sisters ships rather than to actually make drone mods and buff drone sites.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#151 - 2014-02-06 19:36:15 UTC
I bought a Nestor BPC via the LP store, built the Nestor, and it will likely stay in my hangar because the ship is gankbait at today's prices. I don't mind the loot drops if it means the prices drop drastically. Besides, like Rise said, most people do SOE missions for the launchers, probes, and implants, so it won't affect much in the long run.
Adam Lyon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#152 - 2014-02-06 20:19:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Adam Lyon
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#153 - 2014-02-07 01:05:18 UTC
Now I realize why we have the Nestor: so that the Rattlesnake is no longer the worst pirate faction battleship.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#154 - 2014-02-07 11:51:36 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
I bought a Nestor BPC via the LP store, built the Nestor, and it will likely stay in my hangar because the ship is gankbait at today's prices. I don't mind the loot drops if it means the prices drop drastically. Besides, like Rise said, most people do SOE missions for the launchers, probes, and implants, so it won't affect much in the long run.

Except the absurdity that having the SOE ships as offers in the SOE Loyalty Point store is pointless, when there is a much cheaper option available.

I have seen very few complaints about the market price of the Astero and Stratios; apparently people think the ships are worth it. Only the Nestor blew the proportions to hell. Pricing the Nestor at 500.000 LP would have been a far better move to bring the price down to sensible levels.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2014-02-07 13:30:54 UTC
I think I would rather see a low chance for a Nexus Chip drop from all pirate factions rather than this attempt to buff drone sites.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#156 - 2014-02-07 15:33:18 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:

Except the absurdity that having the SOE ships as offers in the SOE Loyalty Point store is pointless, when there is a much cheaper option available.


You could say that about every single faction battleship LP offer in existence outside faction warfare LP stores, both pirate and navy. They're all terrible deals that you would have to be quite stupid to take.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#157 - 2014-02-07 20:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
Sal Landry wrote:
Jowen Datloran wrote:

Except the absurdity that having the SOE ships as offers in the SOE Loyalty Point store is pointless, when there is a much cheaper option available.


You could say that about every single faction battleship LP offer in existence outside faction warfare LP stores, both pirate and navy. They're all terrible deals that you would have to be quite stupid to take.

True, but the 600.000 LP base will still help to inflate the price of the Nestor, compared to other pirate faction battleships, even when the number of BPCs obtained through drone droppings roughly equals the number of BPC droppings of other pirate faction battleships. And I doubt the Nestor is worth even that price.

So instead CCP Rise has to increase the number of Nestor droppings even more to press the price down; a price, which as said is inflated by CCP Rise's own design. Instead of trying to compensate, I simply suggest he remove the cause of the inflation instead.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#158 - 2014-02-08 18:19:11 UTC
Price is moot. The Nestor sucks.
Possessing a Nestor is basically spending $1.5-billion to advertise "gank me".

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Sheeana Harb
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#159 - 2014-02-09 01:05:12 UTC
Unless this change drops the hull market price to +-300m I honestly can't seen myself ever using Nestor. Every single role Nestor has bonuses for can be performed by cheaper and/or better ship. And ability to have those bonuses combined on a single hull isn't worth the price.
Nestor has by far been the least exciting new ship(including those rebalanced). It could be removed from the game tomorrow and I wouldn't care.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2014-02-10 09:24:53 UTC
CCP Rise,

Since you claim to listen to player feedback, I am going to assume you are listening to the feedback above.

Dropping Nestor tokens in drone sites will not improve the Nestor, which is an undesirable ship.

Please do not make the mistake of introducing this new, flawed way of generating Nestors.

Because when you (or your successor) finally fix the Nestor, you will have to then consider undoing the drone drop. Of course this will not be done, and we will have unnecessary complexity feeding into the market price of these ships.

Your best solution right now is to reduce the LP cost. Once you have reworked the ship and it is actually desirable, the price can be increased. If the ship is desirable, the price increase can be quite steep since players are always willing to pay a large premium for incremental improvements in performance.

Please respond thoughtfully. It will give us all a little more confidence in you.

/MC

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