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Gallente-Caldari Relations, Are They Improving?

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#361 - 2014-02-08 01:54:22 UTC
Lyka Gridherst wrote:

The Federation will remain a democracy and not a military junta like the State.


Military junta? Really? Spoken like a true idiot.

Katrina Oniseki

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#362 - 2014-02-08 02:10:40 UTC
Lyka Gridherst wrote:
Agiri Falken wrote:

There's an old saying, "Those who are most eager for results are the ones who are safely away from them." It's easy to wish for what you want when it's going to be other people, and their kids, dying for it. Pick up a rifle and do it yourself, and maybe somebody will take you seriously. As of right now, you'd have to be blind to miss the eyerolling you're getting here. That'll be all, civilian. I'm sure your class will eat it up until that first ten mil strikes home. Propaganda is notoriously poor body armor.

How quaint an idea: that only those who have fought or will fight are entitled to an opinion. I am not Caldari and do not particularly care for your opinion on how things should be. Feel free to implement such policies in your own state. The Federation will remain a democracy and not a military junta like the State.

((Ah yes, the "you have to be an established player to have an opinion" fallacy.))


((No fallacy about it. If you can't stand your baseless numbers or arrogant IC attitude being challenged, you shouldn't have posted here.))

Nobody cares for your opinions either, as has been made clear. Yet here we are. If you can even defend one of them without retreating behind the "Federal Wall of Righteousness", it'll be a milestone...

And I guarantee you, any Federal Marine (Yes, I know several. No, I don't care what you think of that) will tell you the same thing when some simpering pseudo-intellectual starts vomiting rubbish about what the universe should be. Time to put up or shut up, sweetheart, the classroom here has no tolerance for armchair "experts" like you whose contribution to the Cluster involves making proclamations from discredited and dubious sources while sitting on their ass in a station.
Lyka Gridherst
Doomheim
#363 - 2014-02-08 02:14:11 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Lyka Gridherst wrote:

The Federation will remain a democracy and not a military junta like the State.


Military junta? Really? Spoken like a true idiot.

It was a response to an assertion that only the military should have an opinion.
The blonde hair, it is from a box, right?
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#364 - 2014-02-08 02:20:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Erys Charantes
I think that we've established all we need to know about the "Doctor"... Racist, arrogant, irrelevant, and nationalistic. Time to move on to matters of substance, and people that matter. I do have to wonder though... How do the Matari representatives among the capsuleer community feel about a source of such rote drivel teaching their countrymen?

Speaking of boxes filled with needed artificialities... I've got one here addressed to Ms. Gridherst. I replacement brain from CreoDron. They're being generous!

The term at hand here, ladies and gentlemen, is "educated idiot". This is what you get when you tell a fool they're intelligent on a piece of paper. They forget that the Cluster is far larger than their opinions, and that many others have done far more than they in it.

OOC: Seriously... If you can't stand your 'out of the blue' numbers and amazingly stuck up character coming under fire, why did you even post? This isn't WoW, and nobody is required to take you at face value until you've established yourself in the RP community. Get over it, or get used to it. It's not going to change for you.))
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#365 - 2014-02-08 02:31:29 UTC
Lyka Gridherst wrote:

The blonde hair, it is from a box, right?


Well, actually, my hair comes with the clone. It's blonde because my original body had blonde hair. So, while I can appreciate the attempt at suggesting I wear a wig, it's really not very well placed. I'm a capsuleer. My entire body is artificially grown these days, considering I've lost previous clones in combat.

On the other hand, I have had surgical operations for implant removal where they had to shave my head. That was interesting! I still didn't wear a wig though, I just used an older version of my portrait as a static image during FTL communications, and walked around like a fuzzy cueball in person.


Katrina Oniseki

Lyka Gridherst
Doomheim
#366 - 2014-02-08 02:39:09 UTC
Erys Charantes wrote:
I think that we've established all we need to know about the "Doctor"... Racist, arrogant, irrelevant, and nationalistic. Time to move on to matters of substance, and people that matter. I do have to wonder though... How do the Matari representatives among the capsuleer community feel about a source of such rote drivel teaching their countrymen?

OOC: Seriously... If you can't stand your 'out of the blue' numbers and amazingly stuck up character coming under fire, why did you even post? This isn't WoW, and nobody is required to take you at face value until you've established yourself in the RP community. Get over it, or get used to it. It's not going to change for you.))


If you look at previous comments, you will find that I view all people as pretty much the same. The Caldari have just been indoctrinated by a corporatist system that cares little, if at all, for the individual and only cares about the bottom line.
I've never been an IR wonk, nor ever pretended to be one. Most of my undergrad coursework is outdated. There is no Minmatar Republic anymore and the State has shed its skin twice now. Only the Federation and the Empire have remained mostly stable.
As for courses, I teach two series of Gallente politics and one on political theory. I'm also examining the transition from the Republic structure to the Tribal structure, but that is a research grant, not a course.

((There's a difference in being attacked as a character and then there is godmoding. Attack the polls as hawkish, biased, slanted; feel free to question methodology, the phrasing, put forth ones own numbers, all of that is fine. Godmoding is not.))
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#367 - 2014-02-08 02:44:35 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Again, James, bill us and then leave us alone. I'd be willing to pay reparations for what were clearly breaches of the Federal Charter. Might have to apply the damages inflicted in the blockade and bombardment against them, but at least there'd be an end to this.

How very little you understand us.

Let us at least agree none are innocent.

There was a time as you well know that I supported the return of Caldari Prime to the State under certain conditions.

An honorable peace I thought.

That time has past.


I completely agree that none of them were innocent. The question to my mind is less how we should respond to ancient insults and more how we should craft a peace for the modern day - even if that peace is aimed more at separation than amicable union. After my year on the front, a quiet separation appeals to me.

I agree.

Endless recriminations serve no purpose other than to exacerbate animosity.

Shall we discuss it in this thread or another?
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#368 - 2014-02-08 02:49:48 UTC
Please discuss it here. Please

Anything to drown out this current nonsense.

Katrina Oniseki

Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#369 - 2014-02-08 02:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Erys Charantes
Lyka Gridherst wrote:
Erys Charantes wrote:
I think that we've established all we need to know about the "Doctor"... Racist, arrogant, irrelevant, and nationalistic. Time to move on to matters of substance, and people that matter. I do have to wonder though... How do the Matari representatives among the capsuleer community feel about a source of such rote drivel teaching their countrymen?

OOC: Seriously... If you can't stand your 'out of the blue' numbers and amazingly stuck up character coming under fire, why did you even post? This isn't WoW, and nobody is required to take you at face value until you've established yourself in the RP community. Get over it, or get used to it. It's not going to change for you.))


If you look at previous comments, you will find that I view all people as pretty much the same. The Caldari have just been indoctrinated by a corporatist system that cares little, if at all, for the individual and only cares about the bottom line.
I've never been an IR wonk, nor ever pretended to be one. Most of my undergrad coursework is outdated. There is no Minmatar Republic anymore and the State has shed its skin twice now. Only the Federation and the Empire have remained mostly stable.
As for courses, I teach two series of Gallente politics and one on political theory. I'm also examining the transition from the Republic structure to the Tribal structure, but that is a research grant, not a course.

((There's a difference in being attacked as a character and then there is godmoding. Attack the polls as hawkish, biased, slanted; feel free to question methodology, the phrasing, put forth ones own numbers, all of that is fine. Godmoding is not.))


What you claim and what you show are entirely different. It's puzzling that you haven't grasped a simple truth; you can't make anyone think what you wish them to of you, as you present yourself. No demand, no request, no correction can change this. Everyone has read what you've said here. You're the only one supporting yourself and your claims. It's impossible to miss. You've no experience whatsoever with anything but textbooks written entirely by one source. No credibility beyond what you claim, which is dubious at best. No actual experience in the State you preach about. And the worst of it... You think you need not learn anything further on the matter.

OOC: If you'd have bothered to take your own advice and read the post in question, the numbers are related, not the same set. You dont get it... Without a source of Prime Fiction, absolutely ANYONE can do ANYTHING they want with your numbers. You don't have a say in it anymore than I do. She put forth her own, challenged yours, and you threw a tantrum OOC, instead of answering. Who do you think you're hurting here? It's not going to be people in the long established community, I promise you. If you're planning on being involved in the IC community, take my advice and heed my words. It is CENTRALIZED. You're establishing yourself as somebody who can't handle the core conflicts of the community without drama, in front of the major players who all but run it.

I'd actually have given you kudos for a well played nationalist before that, now I'm just going to offer what I've learned since starting. Right now, you're doing yourself a disservice, and it won't just go away the next day. It takes time to establish a character, so yes, it IS about establishing yourself well enough that your characters opinion has weight. Nobody is required to accommodate you. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. I think I'm wasting my time, so I won't repeat it.))
Lyka Gridherst
Doomheim
#370 - 2014-02-08 02:59:29 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Lyka Gridherst wrote:

The blonde hair, it is from a box, right?


Well, actually, my hair comes with the clone. It's blonde because my original body had blonde hair. So, while I can appreciate the attempt at suggesting I wear a wig, it's really not very well placed. I'm a capsuleer. My entire body is artificially grown these days, considering I've lost previous clones in combat.

On the other hand, I have had surgical operations for implant removal where they had to shave my head. That was interesting! I still didn't wear a wig though, I just used an older version of my portrait as a static image during FTL communications, and walked around like a fuzzy cueball in person.

Wig? Gods no. Dye. There's a few horrible jokes about blondes being less intelligent than other hair colours, and further perpetrated by a few comedy holos. It was a short way of saying, "C'mon, I know you're smarter than that."
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#371 - 2014-02-08 03:03:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Technically dye isn't involved either, or at least I don't think there are any dyes involved. Like I said, the hair comes with the clone. I'm perfectly capable of choosing a different hair color at will though! There are also nanite treatments to change hair color starting at the follicle so roots don't change.

At any rate, if we're going by hair color stereotypes - that explains a lot about your soulless posts.

Katrina Oniseki

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#372 - 2014-02-08 03:13:25 UTC
I had stark white hair once. It was quite the shock! I nearly dyed. Someone had mixed up a clone request form, I suppose. It really was beyond the pale! The poor technician positively blanched with embarrassment at the situation.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#373 - 2014-02-08 03:14:04 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Please discuss it here. Please

Anything to drown out this current nonsense.

Over two years ago we had the following conversation; "The fire-eyed maid of smoky war"

How different might relations between the State and the Federation be today had our conversation continued and the ideas expressed, implemented.

How many people now dead would be alive today to appreciate it. "Hypothetical" true, but worth consideration.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#374 - 2014-02-08 03:25:49 UTC
*grabs popcorn and settles in*

((*grabs popcorn and settles in wondering how this thread hasn't been locked yet*))

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Lyka Gridherst
Doomheim
#375 - 2014-02-08 03:38:30 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Technically dye isn't involved either, or at least I don't think there are any dyes involved. Like I said, the hair comes with the clone. I'm perfectly capable of choosing a different hair color at will though! There are also nanite treatments to change hair color starting at the follicle so roots don't change.

At any rate, if we're going by hair color stereotypes - that explains a lot about your soulless posts.

Oh gods, no this hair is not my natural color.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#376 - 2014-02-08 03:42:40 UTC
Lyka Gridherst wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Technically dye isn't involved either, or at least I don't think there are any dyes involved. Like I said, the hair comes with the clone. I'm perfectly capable of choosing a different hair color at will though! There are also nanite treatments to change hair color starting at the follicle so roots don't change.

At any rate, if we're going by hair color stereotypes - that explains a lot about your soulless posts.

Oh gods, no this hair is not my natural color.

At this point, I'm guessing grey...

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Lyka Gridherst
Doomheim
#377 - 2014-02-08 04:37:46 UTC
Mousey brown. Ugggg.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#378 - 2014-02-08 04:42:03 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Please discuss it here. Please

Anything to drown out this current nonsense.

Over two years ago we had the following conversation; "The fire-eyed maid of smoky war"

How different might relations between the State and the Federation be today had our conversation continued and the ideas expressed, implemented.

How many people now dead would be alive today to appreciate it. "Hypothetical" true, but worth consideration.

As they say, those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Definately worth consideration.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#379 - 2014-02-08 04:44:22 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Over two years ago we had the following conversation; "The fire-eyed maid of smoky war"

How different might relations between the State and the Federation be today had our conversation continued and the ideas expressed, implemented.

How many people now dead would be alive today to appreciate it. "Hypothetical" true, but worth consideration.


How odd, there is Istvaan. Speak of a devil and he appears in a cloud of smoke and.. bio-weapons. Had the Guiding Hand's expressed ideas been implemented, the present inquiry would be the reverse.

Gallente and Caldari. Never have a people been so divided by a common star.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#380 - 2014-02-08 06:30:54 UTC
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