EVE General Discussion

I received instructions indicating the opposite for flagrant rule-breaking, especially if other mods are not around or otherwise unavailable.

Good to know. Does that mean we get to hear more from you in the future beyond the L word for "reasons"?

We (CCL) do try to participate in discussions where we can maintain neutrality either via cold hard facts, basic advice, or other non-opinionated stuff. It keeps us from going nuts, and helps reduce the perception that we're unfeeling power-hungry mega-nerds who hate fun.

Doing it is actually part of the CCL duties, which can be paraphrased as "oversee and communicate with the (primarily forum) Eve community on behalf of the CCP Community Team". Moderation is only part of that, but too often is the only thing we have time for.

Can anybody summarize the thread so far? If do it myself but anytime I put honest work and analysis into a post is made pointless either by being locked or spammed with inane irrelevance till is of the current page :)

Can we stop talking about the mods for a bit and get back to work?

Oh come on, it's only 6 pages. Here:

• ISD are terrible
• Too many trolls
• Too many bittervets or generally toxic people
• ISD are truly quite awful
• Too hard to find info / find the right place to post, so GD becomes a crucible of anything and everything
• Possible solution: Remove GD?
• Possible solution: Restructure subforums? Make them more prominent?
• There's a bad duality between "lots of exposure but lots of bad content in GD" and "little exposure and little but good content in specific subforums" and enforcing subforums is a touchy topic
• Disallowing NPC corp alts in CAOD is bad
• CCP need to post and be involved more
• ISD are just plain bad, biased, and everything else
• Eve forums are bad because eve players are bad
• Software behind Eve forums is awful and bug-ridden
• Forums are bad because some people don't like living up to their words (NPC corp alts), and there's weirdness going on with the demographics of the forum
• ISD are pretty much the worst thing ever
• Forums are bad because constructive criticism is hard
• Moderators should be paid employees instead of volunteers
• More discussion of removing GD or restructuring the forum
• ISD Ezwal (member of the incorrigibly horrible ISD) cleaned things up, including a good bit of discussion of moderation
• Some talk about despicable ISD
• Muestereate makes an appearance

Ed: I might have forgotten to mention that ISD are pretty much the reason Eve is dying. Yup.

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1) Too many subforums. See F&I and Assembly Hall as examples of inane redundancy.

2) Threads are continuously derailed by the same NPC alts.

3) The forum software is buggy, buggy, buggy. Somebody posts a thread, the thread shows up but the OP is gone. Somebody makes a reply to a thread and their post never shows up and gets eaten.

4) Long list of redundant or unnecessary rules. Allow KMs to be posted if they're pertinent to a given discussion - if it leads to flaming/trolling, deal with the offending posts, not the apparent trigger. Oh and rule #1 shouldn't even exist as it is enforced by a hard-coded restriction. I won't touch on my reservations about the way the rules are executed, just the rules themselves.

5) Any thread posted in any forum spawns dozens of 1-3 word, no-content meme replies (i.e. "nullbear tears LOL" or "HTFU") that don't contribute to the discussion and often attack the poster. This is nominally against the rules but it somehow goes unenforced. Seriously, nuke that garbage and discussions will flow a lot better. See #2.

While his post was probably worded poorly, I don't imagine that ISD have any particular bias against people who engage in scamming. But that doesn't mean that beancounter jaynara or w/e has any business near the forum mod buttons.

Holy crap lost a half hour semi- intelligent??? :) reply

I'll just keep Em short and frivolous poorly spelled and punctuated

I remember the graphical tags.