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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-02-07 17:30:09 UTC
Mr. Roden (if that is your real name), why have you not commented on the various discrepancies in your argument and your identity? Are you not capable of defending yourself, or are you acknowledging that you are a fraud?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Anslo
Scope Works
#22 - 2014-02-07 17:55:15 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Mr. Roden (if that is your real name), why have you not commented on the various discrepancies in your argument and your identity? Are you not capable of defending yourself, or are you acknowledging that you are a fraud?

Your journalist is showing.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#23 - 2014-02-07 18:27:09 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Guys like this make me realise just how fortunate I am to have emerged from the capsule implantation process with my faculties of reason and common sense intact.

Give it time, you'll end up crazy like the rest of us. Just aim for a good crazy.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#24 - 2014-02-07 18:29:54 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
It might have more to do with those psychological red versus blue dynamics. You are red because you share values with everyone else that is red because blue is evil. You are blue because you share values with everyone else that is blue and because red is evil. Purple is to be abhorred because they dared to mix.


Stitcher wrote:
They're just conventions, exactly like referring to electrons as having negative charge - it would be equally valid to describe them as having a white charge, or a north charge. ... Both wings can come to closely resemble one another when they approach their most extreme expressions.

Thank you both! I like the idea of north charges for some reason. Electrons with tiny winter coats.

I'm less keen on the "left" and "right" spectrum, though. Frankly it's a multidimensional space if anything. Maybe if we taught children more linear algebra we could solve our political differences more easily! Oh, there's an interesting idea. Maybe we should be quantifying desire vectors in a political space instead of arguing ideologies for awhile. It would at least make things more clear.

I'm going to go talk to my market engineering friends and see what they think! :)
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#25 - 2014-02-07 19:22:51 UTC
Jean Roden wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
I'm not a racist, but...

LolLolLol



Have you seen the Quafe commercial turning this years Mind Clash finals? Where they butchered "Gallente the Beautiful" our national anthem. I only can say sorry for all of those who fought and died for our freedom, I am sorry for this commercial. Can those immigrants who came to the country not learn the language? Can't we celebrate our own core cultural heritage and sing the damn song in Gallente? I mean really, dudes. And yes: I'm not a racist, but infuriated about other races, because they want destroy our Federation. So call me a true gallente, a supporter of the heartland.


You're dumb. The song they sang wasn't the anthem. Learn your own culture before you spread your bigoted beliefs.

-Eran
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2014-02-07 20:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: N'maro Makari
On another note, I've recently decided to have a party. A party well supplied with tea.

I'm racking my brains for a short, snappy name for this party.

Big tea jamboree?

Teapolooza?

Tea Party?

The possibilities are endless.

**Vherokior **
Lyka Gridherst
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-02-07 20:22:36 UTC
Jean Roden wrote:
Hi,

Lately I have read some books, like the Pax Amarria and some other stuff. Which brought me here today, I want to talk about a new subject: Equality of humans and biological equality.

I mean we all know, that the ethnic Gallente are most genetic diverse bloodline, and therefore are the most advance and adaptable of all bloodlines. This extreme genetic diversity allowed the ethnic Gallente to not be limited by a world’s climate or ecology in colonization, permitting them to expand relatively rapidly compared to other races. A strong immune system and resistance to disease also helped this.[1]
So it would be reasonable to assume, that over time the cluster would be ruled by the strongest, because the strong should see their wealth and power increase while the weak should see their wealth and power decrease. But why? Why do not we see this today? I tell you. Its because of those lies of our modern society. The Federation itself had become an enemy of the gallente people. Its welfare- and nanny-state had led to its current position. So what can we do? First: (1) We have to accept, that humans are not equal. (2) That we all subject of evolution and natural selection. (3) All public institutions which are working against the invisible hand of nature, working in truth againts the self-interest of the nation. (4) The Federation works with its the nanny state institution against the average working man, against the ethnic gallente people.

We have to free ourself from those lies of equality, and accept the truth that stands straight in fornt of us. We can not deny this truth. No longer. Ones we could afford the luxury of equality, those lies, but now this time has to end. So I hope you people will join my cause: Less state, more invisible hand of nature.

You can do it by:
- Just post in your Galnet bio: "Less state, more invisible hand of nature." Or
- Or donate some ISK on my account with the reference "Less state, more invisible hand of nature."


Here it should be said that I am not a racist. Im just a concerned citizen. The migration of those intercity-matari-free-raiders in our welfare- and health-systems has to end; no more handouts for lazy people. The same counts for those new immigrants, the stampede will destroy our health services, welfare benefits and education system. We have to start to work in the self-interest of the nation and our race. Stop the blind hunting of racism, which is only reverse racism. Again, It should be said that I am not a racist. Im just a concerned citizen form the heart of the Fed. Moreover some people use the derogatory term: fly-over-people for us, but I just can tell all those people: "You are the racist."

You stupid, silly git. Not only are you a racist, but a stupid one at that. Any time a third of your essay (for lack of a better word.; diatribe might suit it better) defends yourself as not being racist, you are racist.
I normally let typos slide, but in your case there are a plethora of misspellings and grammatical errors. The structure of the end of your second paragraph is atrocious. How people graduate with such appalling writing skills is beyond me.
Be glad you never took any of my classes, you would have utterly failed.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#28 - 2014-02-07 20:29:56 UTC
This thread is going places and fast.

Katrina Oniseki
Jean Roden
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-02-07 20:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jean Roden
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Mr. Roden (if that is your real name), why have you not commented on the various discrepancies in your argument and your identity? Are you not capable of defending yourself, or are you acknowledging that you are a fraud?

What you talking about?


For all:
-Donate some ISK on my account with the reference "Less state, more invisible hand of nature."

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
This thread is going places and fast.


Big smile

I love how everybody (not counting Mirelle Lagan) is totally okay with the idea of "unequality of humans". What could be a criticism? Because this idea of unequality was the base of my idea. The criticism should be closer to the crucial point; that way we do not need any name calling.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#30 - 2014-02-07 20:53:43 UTC
Well your points are fatally flawed so theres not much to discuss other than how much of a moron you are.

-Eran
Jean Roden
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-02-07 21:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jean Roden
Eran Mintor wrote:
Well your points are fatally flawed so theres not much to discuss other than how much of a moron you are.

-Eran


Good to know how "Esoteric Philosophy" works. So you still dont mind the base-idea of inequality of humans, just the "fatally flawed points".Shocked This is great to know.Shocked So how do you divide humans as "Esoteric Philosopher"?
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#32 - 2014-02-07 21:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
I don't think you even know what you're saying. I certainly don't. Maybe look up the definition of esoteric before speaking on it.

With that said, if we were to follow your logic that "All public institutions which are working against the invisible hand of nature, working in truth againts the self-interest of the nation," then 1) you would not have gone to University of Caille as schools wouldn't exist, 2) your parents would've abandoned you after birth and you likely wouldn't be here today, and 3) the ideas of Laws to protect the weak and innocent would not exist and you'd be living in hell, if you somehow managed to survive.

Your logic sucks. Beginning to think you're just another troll.

-Eran
Jean Roden
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-02-07 21:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jean Roden
Eran Mintor wrote:
I don't think you even know what you're saying. I certainly don't. Maybe look up the definition of esoteric before speaking on it.

With that said, if we were to follow your logic that "All public institutions which are working against the invisible hand of nature, working in truth againts the self-interest of the nation," then 1) you would not have gone to University of Caille as schools wouldn't exist, 2) your parents would've abandoned you after birth and you likely wouldn't be here today, and 3) the ideas of Laws to protect the weak and innocent would not exist and you'd be living in hell, if you somehow managed to survive.

Your logic sucks. Beginning to think you're just another troll.

-Eran

Sorry to tell you, that it was:
(1) We have to accept, that humans are not equal. (2) That we all subject of evolution and natural selection, what I call the invisible hand of nature (3) All public institutions which are working against the invisible hand of nature, working in truth againts the self-interest of the nation.


So the base-idea was: "We have to accept, that humans are not equal."





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On another off topic note: Im happy the tell: Thanks to the donations, I can visit the University of Caille for additional semester.
Lyka Gridherst
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-02-07 21:25:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyka Gridherst
Humans are generally the same. There's a 2% difference between us and the next closest animal and how much actual diversity in the human genome?

I do accept that your spelling and grammar is substandard, though.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#35 - 2014-02-07 21:25:31 UTC
I can read, thanks.

I never disagreed with the fact humans are unequal. I disagree with what you propose because of that fact. Judging by what you said, instead of supporting the young, sick, and elderly, you'd rather they fend for themselves.

You have yet to actually confront or even acknowledge the counter-arguements presented to you. I wonder if you're capable of debate or just set to repeat the same thing. Seems all you're interested in is recieving donations.

-Eran
Jean Roden
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-02-07 21:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jean Roden
Eran Mintor wrote:
I can read, thanks.

I never disagreed with the fact humans are unequal. I disagree with what you propose because of that fact. Judging by what you said, instead of supporting the young, sick, and elderly, you'd rather they fend for themselves.

You have yet to actually confront or even acknowledge the counter-arguements presented to you. I wonder if you're capable of debate or just set to repeat the same thing. Seems all you're interested in is recieving donations.

-Eran


I understand you. Your criticism is about point 2 and 3. To be more precisely: That, inequality doesnt need/most not lead to natural selection of humans. If I get you right?
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#37 - 2014-02-07 21:37:49 UTC
Sure.

-Eran
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#38 - 2014-02-07 21:44:36 UTC
Sir,

As constructions of human groups, public services and institutions are tools used to promote survival of that group. This includes those which go against "the invisible hand of nature". Just as bower birds build halls of twigs and line them with flowers and pebbles, humans build societies and institutions. We are a social species, after all.

There is no such thing as an institution which works against evolutionary laws.

- S
Jean Roden
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-02-07 21:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jean Roden
Lyka Gridherst wrote:
Humans are generally the same. There's a 2% difference between us and the next closest animal and how much actual diversity in the human genome?

I do accept that your spelling and grammar is substandard, though.


So your criticism is point 1.
Scherezad wrote:
Sir,

As constructions of human groups, public services and institutions are tools used to promote survival of that group. This includes those which go against "the invisible hand of nature". Just as bower birds build halls of twigs and line them with flowers and pebbles, humans build societies and institutions. We are a social species, after all.

There is no such thing as an institution which works against evolutionary laws.

- S

Your criticism is point 3.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#40 - 2014-02-07 22:04:58 UTC
Yes, sir, that's correct. Your third premise is wrong, invalidating your conclusion. May I suggest re-examining evolutionary theory with the help of an evolutionary biologist? It should go a long way in helping you understand the broad-scale implications of genetic propagation through populations, including the presence of large social structures and apparent altruism.

Alternatively, neurobiology can be very helpful in identifying behaviour motivations, and could give you a new perspective on why we act the way we do.

Best of luck, sir :)