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Plex scammers is it legal?

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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-07 20:13:15 UTC
you always see in jita local WTB 2 plex for like 1.5 Bil with a pre-made contract there which only gives 1.5 Mil

while i personally have never fallen for 1 of these scams i get the feeling a lot of people have and i question its legality. while it may not be against the EULA it is still technically fraud the person is in effect being conned and as plex has real world value i.e there worth $$$ is it in effect become a legal matter?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud

lets face it if i brought 6 plex off ccp and cancelled the direct debt before they took the payment im quite sure i would find my account banned.

while i agree it would be rather petty for someone to take legal action over a game and lets be honest like it or hate it scamming is the life blood of eve i still question its legality
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2014-02-07 20:21:07 UTC
Scamming in Eve is not only legal, at times its even encouraged.



I know you 'say' you didn't fall for it... but what did you learn?

Everything is Jita local is bad. Except for Erotica1. That's totally legit.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3 - 2014-02-07 20:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
This is legit, because PLEX != Money.

Back before plex, when people traded GTCs through the forums, scamming was prohibited. The major reason was because CCP's involvement in guaranteeing these transfers were the only way for them to work.

Now that plex trading requires no out-of-game trust or information exchange, CCP doesn't need to treat it differently than any other scam. Although I do think they still police out-of-game GTC transfers.

As for in-game scams being fraud, you paid money for something, you got that thing from CCP, and then you lost that thing while playing the game. Weather you were scammed or your ibis got blown up or you decided to give them away, its irrelevant.

Emma Muutaras wrote:

lets face it if i brought 6 plex off ccp and cancelled the direct debt before they took the payment im quite sure i would find my account banned.


This would be fraud, it costs CCP money, and they would come after you.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#4 - 2014-02-07 20:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
The moment you have the PLEX, CCP delivered what you bought. What you do with it afterwards is your responsibility. You can use it for various training stuff on alts, for a character resculp, or just sell it. If you choose to sell it, it's your responsibility to get a good pirce for it.
It's not CCP's job to guide you to the best price offerings for your item.

I fail to see how CCP can be blamed for you not taking responsibility.

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#5 - 2014-02-07 20:23:44 UTC
If I convinced you out of game to buy PLEX with the intention of scamming you AND it working yes!
If it was random with no IRL communication, NO, as the EULA states, all in game items are the sole property of CCP Games.

In either case, good luck getting CCP to release the IRL info of a in game character...

...

ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#6 - 2014-02-07 20:24:41 UTC
Once the PLEX has been redeemed as an item in-game, it no longer has real world value as per the EULA. Under the "B. Rights to Certain Content" section, you can find:

Quote:
Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.


Emphasis mine. In other words, you cannot claim property or interest in any digital game assets, including PLEX as items.

Scamming out of game using things like buddy invites, Eve Time Codes, or other game-related things that have real value and are not game items is strictly prohibited. For example, check out the Timecode Bazaar rules.

Hope this helps things make sense!

Disclaimer: This is but a simple explanation/interpretation by your friendly neighborhood ISD. I am just a volunteer, and have absolutely no authority over creating, interpreting, or enforcing the EULA and ToS. If you would like an official response from a game moderator, please get in touch using a support ticket.

ISD LackOfFaith

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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-02-07 20:27:49 UTC
sweet i have the info i needed just covering all my base's before i started doing this myself lol
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2014-02-07 20:34:00 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
sweet i have the info i needed just covering all my base's before i started doing this myself lol


Priceless.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2014-02-07 20:54:50 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
sweet i have the info i needed just covering all my base's before i started doing this myself lol



At least you gave people a heads up and allowed them to add you to their block lists.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-02-07 20:56:05 UTC
You can scam for PLEX as long as you don't encourage the mark to buy that PLEX from CCP. Likewise, if you get scammed out of ISK that you made by selling PLEX (or get scammed out of the PLEX itself) and do a chargeback, you are more than likely to be banned.

The do-nots in scamming are basically don't impersonate CCP, don't impersonate other players, don't engage in scams involving character trades, don't scam for actual time codes and don't encourage a mark to actually buy PLEX with RL cash.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-02-07 20:58:32 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
you always see in jita local WTB 2 plex for like 1.5 Bil with a pre-made contract there which only gives 1.5 Mil


CCP isn't responsible for someones greed or inability to read.
Reckless Ourtomineng
#12 - 2014-02-07 20:59:20 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything


blocked /and / or hidden messages stop poasting pls nobody wants to see ur face
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#13 - 2014-02-07 21:02:36 UTC
Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything


blocked /and / or hidden messages stop poasting pls nobody wants to see ur face


Following people around through different threads to harass them is almost definitely against the rules. And you even bothered to do this in a thread a mod had already posted in, to boot.

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Vira'li
A Place in Time and Space
#14 - 2014-02-07 21:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Vira'li
Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything


blocked /and / or hidden messages stop poasting pls nobody wants to see ur face


I actually find his posts to be some of the more meaningful ones here. Also some of the funniest :) Keep up the good work, Unsuccessful At Everything!

edit: I just read the locked post with the references to my favorite one of those early 3 movies. that was priceless and hilarious!
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#15 - 2014-02-07 21:07:11 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Emma Muutaras wrote:
sweet i have the info i needed just covering all my base's before i started doing this myself lol



At least you gave people a heads up and allowed them to add you to their block lists.


i wunder if he kan sea kwoted poasts

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#16 - 2014-02-07 21:11:06 UTC
Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything


blocked /and / or hidden messages stop poasting pls nobody wants to see ur face



Big smile You say that you have me blocked... but I think we all know better.

You love me! You really, really love me!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Vyl Vit
#17 - 2014-02-08 00:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
CCP, however, can't enact a policy that over rules law. If it's illegal to defraud people out of money on the internet, CCP's policy of encouraging it could even be seen as being complicit - accessories before the fact. IF they take action against the defrauded, making it difficult or impossible to find redress, accessory after the fact. I guess being internet gods can go to your head.

Or, maybe Icelandic law doesn't stretch to cover one of their few profitable industries...the EULA isn't a statement of law. It may surrender or acceed to certain claims or rights, but it cannot override LAW, especially criminal statues. Don't cite the EULA. Cite the LAW.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#18 - 2014-02-08 00:50:10 UTC
Scams in game are find. I've made a lot doing them myself. However, PLEX is a little more complicated. Scamming PLEX outside of the game may not be, if the GTC scamming rules carry over. It depends. What you described in your post, OP, is perfectly within the rules.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-02-08 00:53:11 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
CCP, however, can't enact a policy that over rules law. If it's illegal to defraud people out of money on the internet, CCP's policy of encouraging it could even be seen as being complicit - accessories before the fact. IF they take action against the defrauded, making it difficult or impossible to find redress, accessory after the fact. I guess being internet gods can go to your head.

Or, maybe Icelandic law doesn't stretch to cover one of their few profitable industries...the EULA isn't a statement of law. It may surrender or acceed to certain claims or rights, but it cannot override LAW, especially criminal statues. Don't cite the EULA. Cite the LAW.

hahahahaha no

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2014-02-08 00:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Vyl Vit wrote:
CCP, however, can't enact a policy that over rules law. If it's illegal to defraud people out of money on the internet, CCP's policy of encouraging it could even be seen as being complicit - accessories before the fact.

…except, of course, that they have no policy of encouraging people to defraud others out of money. If anything, that's exactly what the GTC rules forbid and why they take a dim view on those who trick people into buying PLEX solely for the purpose of taking it (or the ISK it sells for) off their hands.
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