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The Great Career Respect Thread
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Deadonstick Puppyseeker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-07 12:04:00 UTC
So something I've always wondered, where does this sense of elitism come from some players have? I've seen it cause more than 1, 2, 3, 500, 16000 seemingly random and 100% unconstructive posts here on the forum, ranging from that carebears are a leech that needs to be burned off all the way to anyone who engages in piracy should have their accounts banned.

Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate one career path or the other? Or is it just the inherent douchery of man showing on the internet, considering one cannot get punched in the face for what they say here.

Some are atleast sort of understandable (I can admit a carebear being a bit ticked off that his brand new deadspace fitted Machariel just got blown up by some random guy who wanted a nice killmail). But why are (some) low and nullbears always screaming carebears ruin the game, even though they provide the cheap minerals so that they can get their PVP ships nice and cheap.

Where do industrialists stand in all this? What do miners think of missioneers and why? Which group is the least hated in all of new eden? Which acts are sure to get you hated (random PoS bashing maybe? Perhaps random wormhole ganking? Or just stealing a required mission item? What about freighter bumping?) and which are sure to get you loved?

By all means tell the community what group(s) you belong to, which group(s) you like and why, which group(s) you are neutral to and why, and which group(s) make you wish you could just fly a CONCORD battleship for a day and kill them all?

Despite what you may have heard there's only one rule of EVE:

Never stop learning and realise there's always a lot more to be learned. To this end, seek wisdom in everything.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2014-02-07 12:06:34 UTC
If people aren't hating, you're doing it wrong.

Oh god.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#3 - 2014-02-07 12:11:30 UTC
you're supposed to hate on random stuff on the internet
Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
#4 - 2014-02-07 12:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sebastor Cane
Miners are hated the most in this game. Not because they are miners but because a lot of them are

A. Know nothing about the game apart from mining. I once had a hulk warp out of a belt when i was in a Tengu. He said that he warped because he was not sure if i was going to suicide him or not. Enough said.

B. Think that PvP should not apply to them as they are not hurting anyone and want to live in a bubble away from other players.


Apart from that the hate comes from the fact that EVE is fundementally a boring game unless you stop doing repetative things ie highsec missions. And anyone who is percieved as doing boring things with no risk are looked down on and that includes a lot of PvP

Flip side

Highsec Pver who dont have the time are forced to run missions as anything else takes time and dont like having there game dictated to them by people with lots of time.


SOV holding nullsec players are seen as sheep doing there masters bidding. Boredom


Gate camping boredom with little risk if done correctly.


Main career

There is only one Career that gains any kind of respect in EVE and that is small gang PvP, while being outnumbered but not out gunned. This is why everyone has such a hard on for Rooks and Kings. Youtube is full of small gang fights and everything else is instructional only.

If you can fight out of your league in manpower no one will have a bad word to say about you.
Fatal Amelana
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2014-02-07 12:21:26 UTC
Karen Avioras wrote:
you're supposed to hate on random stuff on the internet


:) this
Deadonstick Puppyseeker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-02-07 12:36:21 UTC
Sebastor Cane wrote:
If you can fight out of your league in manpower no one will have a bad word to say about you.


Well maybe the guys whos fleet you just blew up with a mere wing of your own. But yeah, I think this is mostly true.

PS: Perhaps we could say members of Rooks and Kings are the least hated in the universe?

Despite what you may have heard there's only one rule of EVE:

Never stop learning and realise there's always a lot more to be learned. To this end, seek wisdom in everything.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#7 - 2014-02-07 12:47:14 UTC
I hate R&K only for one thing: Y NO MORE EPIC VIDS?

Here, I hate thus I am complete.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#8 - 2014-02-07 12:52:23 UTC
The source of most actual hate is ignorance.

The motivation behind most of the posts you're talking about in the forums is wanting to look important, or trying to be funny.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#9 - 2014-02-07 12:57:22 UTC
Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:

Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate


The fallacy is usually right at the beginning. You are asking for a logical explanation for something inherently illogical like emotion. Why don't you ask people to figure out how much love weighs while you're at it.

EVE is a reflection of the human condition, because as a sandbox EVE is merely a reflection of the humans within it. Once you understand this, then it will all make sense (or account for why it fails to make sense).
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2014-02-07 13:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:

Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate one career path or the other? Or is it just the inherent douchery of man showing on the internet, considering one cannot get punched in the face for what they say here.


This is pretty much it right here.

And it's not just EVE. It's all forums, everywhere, on every kind of site, on absolutely every subject.

And site after site recently, even Scientific American, are just getting rid of Forums and comments utterly.

The dreck just is not worth reading, and most folks are tired of the dis-ingenuous dialogue. It's old and boring.

Humanity survived for millenia without the help of instant communication reactions from the entire populace, and it will most indeed continue to function just fine without it.

Really, it will.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sister Night
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-02-07 13:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Sister Night
it comes from sitting behind a screen an knowing there aint no repercussions to anything u do

Every game forum is the same, shame tbh, dont think i actually came across one that aint full of trolls

Sony about the only one that i seen who are trying to actively do something about it, the rest are just to scared to loose money
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#12 - 2014-02-07 13:22:41 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:

Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate one career path or the other? Or is it just the inherent douchery of man showing on the internet, considering one cannot get punched in the face for what they say here.


This is pretty much it right here.

And it's not just EVE. It's all forums, everywhere, on every kind of site, on absolutely every subject.

And site after site recently, even Scientific American, are just getting rid of Forums and comments utterly.

The dreck just is not worth reading, and most folks are tired of the dis-ingenuous dialogue. It's old and boring.

Humanity survived for millenia without the help of instant communication reactions from the entire populace, and it will most indeed continue to function just fine without it.

Really, it will.


Well this is what happens when the literacy requirements are still at the "being able to read and write" level...
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-02-07 13:23:42 UTC
Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:
So something I've always wondered, where does this sense of elitism come from some players have? I've seen it cause more than 1, 2, 3, 500, 16000 seemingly random and 100% unconstructive posts here on the forum, ranging from that carebears are a leech that needs to be burned off all the way to anyone who engages in piracy should have their accounts banned.

Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate one career path or the other? Or is it just the inherent douchery of man showing on the internet, considering one cannot get punched in the face for what they say here.

Some are atleast sort of understandable (I can admit a carebear being a bit ticked off that his brand new deadspace fitted Machariel just got blown up by some random guy who wanted a nice killmail). But why are (some) low and nullbears always screaming carebears ruin the game, even though they provide the cheap minerals so that they can get their PVP ships nice and cheap.

Where do industrialists stand in all this? What do miners think of missioneers and why? Which group is the least hated in all of new eden? Which acts are sure to get you hated (random PoS bashing maybe? Perhaps random wormhole ganking? Or just stealing a required mission item? What about freighter bumping?) and which are sure to get you loved?

By all means tell the community what group(s) you belong to, which group(s) you like and why, which group(s) you are neutral to and why, and which group(s) make you wish you could just fly a CONCORD battleship for a day and kill them all?



sure.. I am superior to humankind, therefore my opinion is bound to be right.. always.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-02-07 13:34:30 UTC
I hate the OP for posting this.

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-02-07 13:37:45 UTC
I don't particularly care what you or anyone else decides to do with their time in this game. Don't, however, expect me not to shoot at you whenever the opportunity arises.

I don't think you can say fairer than that.

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#16 - 2014-02-07 13:50:40 UTC
Effect One wrote:
I don't particularly care what you or anyone else decides to do with their time in this game. Don't, however, expect me not to shoot at you whenever the opportunity arises.

I don't think you can say fairer than that.


Please shoot me. Make it a fight I have a slight chance of winning, and I'll thank you for it. Make it a fight that is challenging and not too easy, and I'll love you for it. Bring 30 of your friends and sigh, maybe next time I'll get the elusive 'gudfite'.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#17 - 2014-02-07 13:54:42 UTC
Many trolls mistake my business for others' scams. I work hard everyday to change that perception by paying out those who can read.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#18 - 2014-02-07 14:01:13 UTC
I'll need a blingy 200bil isk titan before I can feel truly elite.

As you can imagine, this means a lot of nullbearing.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#19 - 2014-02-07 14:28:46 UTC
Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:
Which group is the least hated in all of new eden? and which are sure to get you loved?


Erotica 1. Though currently her love-o-meter (aka bounty) seems to be sliding a bit... not 'nuff Mayo I guess.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-02-07 14:39:48 UTC
Is PvP video game. Would be no fun without made up enemies. The nice thing about it is, out of game, made up enemies can also be your friends. Heck, I'd even buy a beer for a non-Code compliant miner.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
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