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What's the future of Low Sec?

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-02-07 10:23:19 UTC
It always seem like the "fix" for low-sec has to do with getting more carebears into low-sec, and i don't think that is ever going to happen. CCP can add better ore, and tweak level 5 missions, but i really don't think they have some magic wand that will make low-sec a magical place, where pirates are shooting miners and mission runners all day long.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-02-07 10:47:54 UTC
dexington wrote:
It always seem like the "fix" for low-sec has to do with getting more carebears into low-sec, and i don't think that is ever going to happen. CCP can add better ore, and tweak level 5 missions, but i really don't think they have some magic wand that will make low-sec a magical place, where pirates are shooting miners and mission runners all day long.

Why more carebears into low sec. The fix for low sec is to make it more small gang friendly imo. High for solo carebearing and war decs. Low for small gang to mid gang. Null for fleets. Wormhole for crazy people.

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Doomheim
#43 - 2014-02-07 11:08:36 UTC
I recently moved from npc null sec to non-fw low sec, looking for the feeling of solitude in space without having to do 40 jumps thru null and i'm glad i found it.

Local channel and Falcon alt make me feel safe.
I run sites with the Ishtar or Proteus.
I move the stuff i loot with a Blockade Runner, sometimes with another cov ops ship.

I'm a lonely happy bear, and now i don't have to worry about small gangs looking for me, or bored alliance dudes that want to titan bridge on my Proteus/Ishtar.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#44 - 2014-02-07 11:09:42 UTC
I love all those people from OUTSIDE of lowsec knowing best how to fix lowsec.

Please tell me more about my tragic fate of being lowsec dweller and how can you save me from my misery. I am here because I want to be here not because I cannot go somewhere else so please, GTFO back to your candyland and don't forget to take your ideas with you.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-02-07 11:10:26 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Why more carebears into low sec. The fix for low sec is to make it more small gang friendly imo. High for solo carebearing and war decs. Low for small gang to mid gang. Null for fleets. Wormhole for crazy people.


I'm not sure i agree, i think npc null is more suited for small gang pvp. In my opinion low-sec should be more like high-sec, without concord.

I really like a lot of the low-sec mechanics, it's not terrible dangerous to fly around low-sec, it's easy accessible from hi-sec, and it's not a huge commitment to take a trip through low-sec. While at the same time low-sec is a place where you are likely to get shot if you let your guard down, or is just careless or stupid.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Anomaly One
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-02-07 11:20:31 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
I love all those people from OUTSIDE of lowsec knowing best how to fix lowsec.

Please tell me more about my tragic fate of being lowsec dweller and how can you save me from my misery. I am here because I want to be here not because I cannot go somewhere else so please, GTFO back to your candyland and don't forget to take your ideas with you.


this is how miners feel every time someone wants to "fix" mining..

Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-02-07 12:09:45 UTC
The future is what you make of it.
Starscream Nighthawk
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-02-07 12:25:35 UTC
1: Move all ice to lowsec
2: Content
3:?????
4: Profit
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-02-07 12:30:17 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
A certain wet dream of mine is to see all of the NPC empires "split up" so that you MUST go through low-sec if you want to ship goods from, say, Jita to Amarr. To compensate, the number of connections between high-sec and low-sec will be doubled... as will the number of connections within low-sec itself (to limit the number of "chokepoints" that can be camped).

While this might certainly strangle "mini-trade hubs" it might also encourage people to "locally grow" their ships and equipment... effectively giving a need for people to have industrialist connections rather than just grabbing their cumbersome freighters (which have terrible AU/gal I might add) and going to "Super Jita" to buy goods of... questionable freshness.

It will also "encourage" more people to quit...
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#50 - 2014-02-07 12:34:04 UTC
mofos , dont touch my low sec please , its working great

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Evilishah
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2014-02-07 18:21:41 UTC
Moneta Curran wrote:


In my direct area there is plenty of conflict, there are roaming gangs, vendetta's, poco's and poses being reinforced and there are always opportunities to gank the unwary.

What you are describing is probably the most risk averse playstyle imaginable.. if low sec was so empty why did you retreat to high sec and why don't you ever come back in anything bigger than a covops frigate?



Because there is always risk (especially when you are flying an insta-pop like a Cheetah. That doesn't mean it isn't empty, it is rather precautionary.

I also never implied that deaths don't happen in lowsec, especially to the careless, but that still doesn't mean it isn't empty.

And I didn't retreat to highsec. I retreated to Null, and now I'm back in high sec... looking for another null corp. What did I tell you about making assumptions?


Evilishah
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2014-02-07 18:26:17 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'd like to see low completely redone.

Its been pretty stagnant since 2005, hasn't really changed much other than ores and npcs though their value is less now than it was in early EVE since null and high are much more profitable than low (unless you never die which is quite impossible) while in high and null its pretty easy to avoid losses, too easy in null imo.

I like what they did with wormhole space, been hanging out trying to kill this corporation in one and its definitely completely different to null. I'd have to say of all the people in EVE these wormhole guys are the bravest. No local is pure hellish :) Give low sec an overhaul so its completely different to high and null it'd be cool.



This.

I'm not sure what the change should be, and I'm not all that willing to speculate. Low needs an identity, and it needs a reason to get some meaningful traffic.

There should also be a risk/reward as far as isk generation (as it stands right now, you are far better going high sec or null sec for isk) which could drive some traffic. I think CCP knows this, at least to some extent, as they specifically mentioned clone tags as giving a reason to go to low to make some isk.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#53 - 2014-02-07 19:28:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Lowsec was fun back in 2006.


When we think of lowsec back then we think of piracy.


Imagine the pirates of olde trying to operate in the Caribbean and the are was just like lowsec.

Imagine that ships from say Kingston could just leave the harbor and then blink over to England or Boston. Or perhaps ships from there just blink right into the harbor.

What would that have been like?


The largest of the tall ships had issues with the reef heads and shallows. So there were limits to how the navies could handle the "pirate problem". From the looks of it, it's BLOPS BLOB or GTFO.

Perhaps lowsec could be the first candidate for the Dinsdale Cloud Effect? Maybe if supers were banned from lowsec like they are banned from highsec? Is not lowsec still empire space? Why the double standard?

Oh well.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Evilishah
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-02-07 23:42:38 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
I love all those people from OUTSIDE of lowsec knowing best how to fix lowsec.

Please tell me more about my tragic fate of being lowsec dweller and how can you save me from my misery. I am here because I want to be here not because I cannot go somewhere else so please, GTFO back to your candyland and don't forget to take your ideas with you.


No one is telling you anything about your "tragic fate" as a low sec dweller.

No one is saying that you aren't having fun.

No one is saying that you don't love it.

This isn't about you.

You are merely one metric, one data point (in
Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate
#55 - 2014-02-08 00:05:17 UTC
Low Sec is just a honeypot for pvp. Most high sec peeps are scared to death of entering it alone and the peeps that live in 0.0 have other fish to fry. For the most part, it's the unsuspecting noobs that enter into low sec as most other experienced peeps know that it isn't worth venturing into alone.

Its a shame that we can't make some high sec systems into low sec and vice versa through some mechanic similar to flipping a faction warfare system. If CCP truly wanted to see more pvp, this would certainly be the way to do it. Just think of the ramifications would be flipping a highly traveled high sec system like Eudama/Sivala into a low sec one would be. It would be pure chaos! One that the care bears should want to protect and one that the low sec pirate corps/alliance would love to keep.

A person that does'nt use his intelligence is no better than an animal that does'nt have any and thus are steaks on the table by choice and consent.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#56 - 2014-02-08 00:07:01 UTC
dexington wrote:
It always seem like the "fix" for low-sec has to do with getting more carebears into low-sec, and i don't think that is ever going to happen. CCP can add better ore, and tweak level 5 missions, but i really don't think they have some magic wand that will make low-sec a magical place, where pirates are shooting miners and mission runners all day long.



Make it a place *anyone* would want to live, aside from the fashion statement of living there. If it's worth it, people will be there. Not carebears, not pirates, anybody.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#57 - 2014-02-08 00:22:50 UTC
Low bears what's next worm bears?

My opinion is that we need more access points to low both from high and null space make it bigger as well and introduce lo sec areas with ban on cap ships(optional)

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#58 - 2014-02-08 00:46:39 UTC
I've been railing for lowsec fixes for years. I've kind of given up. I'm not going to write another book about it... my conclusion is that it would take a lot of development time and careful thought to fix. I just don't think CCP is going to allocate those resources anytime soon. There have been a lot of really good suggestions made in the past, spanning way back throughout the old forums. The real answer will take a number of those suggestions. I just don't see it happening.
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