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[Rubicon 1.3] Drone Assist change

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Marta Kronos
Siromanci
The Initiative.
#721 - 2014-02-07 08:15:31 UTC
I think it BEST idea !
By Defolt any ship can accept 10 assists+own drones
CCP create module in LOW slot thet extend 10 additional drones to get assist.

Why LOW slot - it is kill armor resistsLol

may be it is possible to only command ships can get assist Roll
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#722 - 2014-02-07 08:28:00 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
But yes CCP, thank you for nerfing that thing we couldn't beat after we beat it.


You beat it because you actually grew some balls and the brought it. but it wasnt really hard to work out was it? I mean the bombing runs was a very good counter as well. Well done for that but sadly we are left with another entity that still has a billion supers and titans.


Bombing runs do not work against slow cat fleets. They barely work against domi fleets. Oh look, bombs are coming, scoop drones. Nah, never mind im in a carrier and I've 200 more in my drone bay.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#723 - 2014-02-07 08:32:45 UTC  |  Edited by: tiberiusric
knobber Jobbler wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
But yes CCP, thank you for nerfing that thing we couldn't beat after we beat it.


You beat it because you actually grew some balls and the brought it. but it wasnt really hard to work out was it? I mean the bombing runs was a very good counter as well. Well done for that but sadly we are left with another entity that still has a billion supers and titans.


Bombing runs do not work against slow cat fleets. They barely work against domi fleets. Oh look, bombs are coming, scoop drones. Nah, never mind im in a carrier and I've 200 more in my drone bay.


Perhaps you are doing it wrong. BL did it pretty well. Plus you do need waves of bombers as well. You have to remember that sentries dont move very quick, so if they are assisted else where, getting them to redock quick is the hard part. But it also acts a as a deterrent as well.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#724 - 2014-02-07 08:33:29 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Hey guys, we here at CCP feel we need to buff drone boats so that they're used as mainline combat ships


Three months later....


OH GOD YOU'RE USING DRONES AS MAINLINE COMBAT SHIPS

perhaps adding a drone bay to every ship in the game was the unwise choice people screamed in their face when they started to redo things.


Problem is its drones or nothing right now for sov warfare. Do you really want to spend the rest of your time playing EVE in one or two pretty dull doctrines?
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#725 - 2014-02-07 08:34:48 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Hey guys, we here at CCP feel we need to buff drone boats so that they're used as mainline combat ships


Three months later....


OH GOD YOU'RE USING DRONES AS MAINLINE COMBAT SHIPS

perhaps adding a drone bay to every ship in the game was the unwise choice people screamed in their face when they started to redo things.


Problem is its drones or nothing right now for sov warfare. Do you really want to spend the rest of your time playing EVE in one or two pretty dull doctrines?



its all about the killboard rather than the fun for a lot of null guys - lets get 1000000 kills and look leet

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Sway M4G
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#726 - 2014-02-07 08:37:01 UTC
i approve of this its about time it got nerfed.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#727 - 2014-02-07 08:37:07 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Hey guys, we here at CCP feel we need to buff drone boats so that they're used as mainline combat ships


Three months later....


OH GOD YOU'RE USING DRONES AS MAINLINE COMBAT SHIPS

perhaps adding a drone bay to every ship in the game was the unwise choice people screamed in their face when they started to redo things.


Problem is its drones or nothing right now for sov warfare. Do you really want to spend the rest of your time playing EVE in one or two pretty dull doctrines?



during about 1 year was drake with HML or nothing...e ven more dull if you ask me.

Also no you are wrong. Several gorups keep having moderate success with maelstroms.

The issue is nto Domi being too strong. Its the other battleships that are too weak!



Change maelstrom into 5% DAMAGE per level and remove the useless shield bost bonus for a 10% shield AMMOUNT. And voila.. New fleet ship on same level as the dominix (and open space to make the tempest the brawler)

Think out of the box. CCPO must unerf other possibilities, not make everythign equaly dumb.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#728 - 2014-02-07 08:37:48 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
But yes CCP, thank you for nerfing that thing we couldn't beat after we beat it.


You beat it because you actually grew some balls and the brought it. but it wasnt really hard to work out was it? I mean the bombing runs was a very good counter as well. Well done for that but sadly we are left with another entity that still has a billion supers and titans.


Bombing runs do not work against slow cat fleets. They barely work against domi fleets. Oh look, bombs are coming, scoop drones. Nah, never mind im in a carrier and I've 200 more in my drone bay.


Perhaps you are doing it wrong. BL did it pretty well. You have to remember that sentries dont move very quick, so if they are assisted else where, getting them to redock quick is the hard part


Perhaps you've never been in a domi or slow cat fleet and fail to recognize how easy it is to avoid bombs? These fleet concepts are stationary, they don't need to move with the obscene range of sentries.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#729 - 2014-02-07 09:05:39 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Hey guys, we here at CCP feel we need to buff drone boats so that they're used as mainline combat ships


Three months later....


OH GOD YOU'RE USING DRONES AS MAINLINE COMBAT SHIPS

perhaps adding a drone bay to every ship in the game was the unwise choice people screamed in their face when they started to redo things.


Problem is its drones or nothing right now for sov warfare. Do you really want to spend the rest of your time playing EVE in one or two pretty dull doctrines?



during about 1 year was drake with HML or nothing...e ven more dull if you ask me.

Also no you are wrong. Several gorups keep having moderate success with maelstroms.

The issue is nto Domi being too strong. Its the other battleships that are too weak!



Change maelstrom into 5% DAMAGE per level and remove the useless shield bost bonus for a 10% shield AMMOUNT. And voila.. New fleet ship on same level as the dominix (and open space to make the tempest the brawler)

Think out of the box. CCPO must unerf other possibilities, not make everythign equaly dumb.


Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this post
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#730 - 2014-02-07 09:22:39 UTC
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Hey guys, we here at CCP feel we need to buff drone boats so that they're used as mainline combat ships


Three months later....


OH GOD YOU'RE USING DRONES AS MAINLINE COMBAT SHIPS

perhaps adding a drone bay to every ship in the game was the unwise choice people screamed in their face when they started to redo things.


Problem is its drones or nothing right now for sov warfare. Do you really want to spend the rest of your time playing EVE in one or two pretty dull doctrines?



during about 1 year was drake with HML or nothing...e ven more dull if you ask me.

Also no you are wrong. Several gorups keep having moderate success with maelstroms.

The issue is nto Domi being too strong. Its the other battleships that are too weak!



Change maelstrom into 5% DAMAGE per level and remove the useless shield bost bonus for a 10% shield AMMOUNT. And voila.. New fleet ship on same level as the dominix (and open space to make the tempest the brawler)

Think out of the box. CCPO must unerf other possibilities, not make everythign equaly dumb.


Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this post



thathahahah is on your that exact proposal during the battleship rebalance thread got ALONE more likes than your character in all its posting career.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Konrad Kane
#731 - 2014-02-07 09:26:38 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

So it "nerfs carriers into the ground" while at the same time having "no effect" on archon usage.

OK


Dude stop posting sensibly it's making me think about voting.....
Electrified Circuits
Predator Ewoks
#732 - 2014-02-07 09:30:56 UTC
:Stamp: of approval good job CSM and CCP, looking forward to the summer expansion
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#733 - 2014-02-07 09:44:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
C0NRAD wrote:
We feel that drone assist, at a large scale, leads to passive gameplay that most players do not enjoy

absolutly agree.

BUT u just incresing target callers count. 50 dominix - 250 drones - 5 target callers.


Well that's 5x as much gameplay as there was before!



Or one person with 5 aacounts using ISBoxer.

I have an issue with ISBoxer. It shouldn't be allowed.

I have no problem with people multi boxing but using a program that allows you to use many accounts simultaneously as one is an issue with me.

Ban the use of ISBoxer please
octahexx Charante
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#734 - 2014-02-07 09:59:12 UTC
do you remember a time before bending to CFCs every wish?
Valearx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#735 - 2014-02-07 10:12:24 UTC
octahexx Charante wrote:
do you remember a time before bending to CFCs every wish?


Yeah, and we were still pushing your **** in back then Cool
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#736 - 2014-02-07 10:46:14 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Change maelstrom into 5% DAMAGE per level and remove the useless shield bost bonus for a 10% shield AMMOUNT. And voila.. New fleet ship on same level as the dominix (and open space to make the tempest the brawler)

Think out of the box. CCPO must unerf other possibilities, not make everythign equaly dumb.


it's like everyone who regurgitates this tired "don't nerf one thing, buff everything else! everybody wins!!!!" crap doesn't understand the concept of power creep

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#737 - 2014-02-07 10:47:11 UTC
hint people don't fly sentry doctrines because everything else sucks, they fly sentry doctrines because they're leaps and bounds above everything else

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#738 - 2014-02-07 11:17:01 UTC
Hi

I just got back to work and I haven't had time to catch up completely on this thread but I wanted to post quickly to clarify our position (which I made less clear with the bad post about Dominix damage yesterday).

The primary goal of this change is to improve play experience in large fleets. The secondary goal of improving server performance plays a part but it is not our main intention (in this change) to attack the power of the Dominix or any other ship specifically. We will measure the effect from this change with many metrics, including a lot of feedback from players, not just one ship's PVP damage.

Be back later after more reading.

@ccp_rise
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#739 - 2014-02-07 11:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: GallowsCalibrator
Kagura Nikon wrote:
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Hey guys, we here at CCP feel we need to buff drone boats so that they're used as mainline combat ships


Three months later....


OH GOD YOU'RE USING DRONES AS MAINLINE COMBAT SHIPS

perhaps adding a drone bay to every ship in the game was the unwise choice people screamed in their face when they started to redo things.


Problem is its drones or nothing right now for sov warfare. Do you really want to spend the rest of your time playing EVE in one or two pretty dull doctrines?



during about 1 year was drake with HML or nothing...e ven more dull if you ask me.

Also no you are wrong. Several gorups keep having moderate success with maelstroms.

The issue is nto Domi being too strong. Its the other battleships that are too weak!



Change maelstrom into 5% DAMAGE per level and remove the useless shield bost bonus for a 10% shield AMMOUNT. And voila.. New fleet ship on same level as the dominix (and open space to make the tempest the brawler)

Think out of the box. CCPO must unerf other possibilities, not make everythign equaly dumb.


Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this post



thathahahah is on your that exact proposal during the battleship rebalance thread got ALONE more likes than your character in all its posting career.


I'm pretty sure that the Maelstrom of all goddamn things didn't need a massive, out-of-racial-character EHP boost and alpha bonus given it was, and still is, a powerful fleet battleship as it stands (in fact I don't think I posted in the Minmatar T1 BS thread at all), but whatever.

The Dominix hull as it stands is in a pretty good place (drone versatility), it's just that drone assist makes it scale to absurd levels (and turns the servers into smoking shitheaps as a byproduct).



As a random thought, a few people in the thread mentioned an idea of ships essentially having assist bandwidth as well as standard bandwidth, which I don't think is an entirely terrible idea either to look at in the future.
Dunhill Slims
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#740 - 2014-02-07 11:29:01 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Hi

The primary goal of this change is to improve play experience in large fleets.


Then how about redoing the Drone UI? :D