Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That is a pretty good point. Any sane person would consider the contract void. But then again, what if the guy that attacked you is your friend and he is just testing his guns on your ship. You should be able to manually cancel the contracts. That would make more sense.

Translation: "I was greedy, and took a large risk involving a courier contract that led me through a predictable pipe. I did not bother to take any precautions. The contract was bait, and I got burned."

There's a reason why Red Frog accepts contracts with low-skilled contracting alts, and does the actual shipping on an out-of-corp basis. You are now aware of the reason. Bait contracts are a pretty ancient thing in EVE. If you plan to make money as a courier, you need to be prepared for it.

Dude, I am not against ganking, in fact it adds flavor to the game as I myself have been ganked before and lost much more than i did this time. What I am against is a mechanic that is absolutly, undeniably, ridiculous. I mean in real life this would be laughable, of COURSE i would get my money back, no question. And you need to read the post again, If I was attacked by someone other than the contract holder it would be fine.

Greedy? the payout was only like 20 mil for 12 jumps, come on dude.

Did the contract you agreed to specifically state they weren't allowed to attack you?

Public contracts can be accepted by anyone, even pilots you are at war with. I see no reason that the contract brokers would even pay attention to who prevented you from delivering the package you were contracted to deliver. They only care about whether you successfully completed the contract, which you didn't.

Use a contracting alt. Don't take contracts from sketchy sources. Limit yourself to what you can afford to lose. Learn from your mistake and move on. Sorry, but this isn't the first time this has happened and won't be the last. EVE is a harsh mistress, but if you're a good

ahh, playing the troll card I see.
let me clarify sometihng = fairness in terms of logical sense.

margin trading scam = although this one is debated, it's kind of like declaring bankrupcy where you don't have to buy something from market. the sale never actually goes through.

trade box scam = you get exactly what you see, your fault if you were not looking what that is.

null-sec contract scam = everyone know you go to null-sec be prepared to die because there is no law there, duh

1 trit for 1 bil = same as trade-box scam

double your isk scam = completely relying on someone's honesty, not smart

suicide ganking, spies, awoxers, blobbing = all makes perfect sense with game mechanics.

Attacking person who you have made a legal contract for = completely ok? dafug
im sorry but common sense demands a change

To be frank, I don't see a way you could implement it fairly.

If you still have the contracted goods, you can still complete the contract. If you can't copmlete the contract, I can see some type of mechanic where you return the goods and get some of your collateral back (-15% restocking fee). However, is that a fair or legitimate conclusion? There are lost opportunity costs on behalf of your contractor that he'll feel you need to pay, and you feel you shouldn't have to pay anything because you blame him (whether true or not) for your inability to complete the contract.

If you lost the contracted goods, you can't return them. So there is no way you can make the contract right with him. And I can think of several insidious reasons to take a contract from an enemy: Perhaps you only accepted his contract as a ploy to move contraband through his patrolled area. If you got the collateral back, and he loses his package, then you just opened the door for any of his enemies (you) to cause financial loss if he stopped your weapon smuggling operation!

You see, contracts must remain politically neutral, because the contract commission just doesn't have the resources to investigate why you lost the packages you contractually agreed to deliver!

You got got by one of the older tricks in eve. Welcome to eve......

When you take the contract they know (or can guess pretty good) what route you will take.

You got 3 options here.

1. Do not take the autopilot shortest route to desto. Most times they will be camped on a gate on this route.

2. do it the professional courier way. Alt takes contract, re rewraps in their own courier contract and hauler takes that contract up. this would be how red frog runs business as usual even if you bother to war dec them. YOu also don't know when the hell the actual red frog hauler pilot is coming. And you don't even have the real name to locator agent either.

3. Don't rush the courier job, Its got several days, don't be looking to pick it up and drop off in an hour or less. They see contract accepted, they will assume a rush delivery and get a real good estimate of your eta to gate. they are playing mind games, play them back and deliver several hours to days later. Camping psychology 101....longer they are there with no action more bored they will be.

In 0.0 you would have got me maybe for an hour of this crap detail before the urge to lie and say oh crap, wifey needs me would arise and I'd log off and get more excitement mission running on an empire alt. The punchline being mission running is boring, but less boring than camping lol. Life is too short to have circle jerks on gates for hours on end imo.

You can also see this coming down the road to know if you need to do the above. If the cargo you are carrying is collateral'd high but looking at the package its not worth the collateral.....its usually a sign.

But the case you just described NEVER happens in EvE. The contract is public, and handled through brokers. With a public contractor, the contractor has no say who the broker gives the contract to. You only shake hands with a broker, and the broker never stabs you in the back!

Let me give you a more entertaining example: You are a trucker, accepting contracts from some moving company. You pickup a contract to move some soldiers belongings to a house on a military base. That soldier, who happened to be guarding the base, stops your van from coming on base because you don't have the proper clearance. It is NOT the soldiers fault you can't complete the contract, because you took the contract from the moving company claiming you could deliver to the military base. Whether you realized it was military base is irrelevant. Whether the soldier personally destroyed the UHAUL as it forced its way onto base is irrelevant. Your contract says you will take FULL responsibility for delivering the package to the destination, or you will forfeit the collateral.

The ENTIRE EvE universe is a war zone, irregardless of whether you are taking sides in any particular conflict. Ship destruction happens everywhere, for many reasons, and it makes complete sense that the broker's commission just doesn't have the resources to determine if you were "fairly" blown up by the character or corp that setup the courier contract. And if they DID start refunding collateral in the manner you suggest, they'd drown in political hurricane to ensue. To keep business simple and practical, they stay neutral. You know who requested the contract, you know where the contract is heading to, it is your responsibility to move the contract to the destination, and deal with any and all potential threats you may encounter. Failure forfeits your collateral, plain and simple!

There's no point to changing the mechanics, because its so trivially easy to issue the contract through an alt.