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Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Knights Reborn
#1 - 2014-02-06 19:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Marc McIntyre Crendraven
I was recently ganked in Niarja. the thing is I was running a courier contract with a large collateral. The character that issued the contract is the one that attacked me. Now I have never complained about high sec not being safe enough because I like the sandbox element. But common sense says that if I am attacked by my own contracter than the contract should be canceled. I can understand if a different character was used to initiate the gank but this is just ridiculous.

As it currently stands, If I am doing work for a person and they decide to keep me from doing that work I am the one who has to pay for it. I'm sorry but that's a completely broken game mechanic. If you don't want your own contract completed than you should pay the price. The authorities would make you forfeit the contract. However, if it was another character who attacked then the contract issuer could claim innocence.

Nothing else in EVE really works this way, here are some examples.

I join corp, corpies attack me and I lose ISK, guess what, I can leave the corp, yay!!!

I go into low-sec and get killed, guess what, I can leave low-sec, yay!!!

I make contract with guy and give put up tons of collateral to reflect my honesty, he turns around and kills me in high sec, guess what, he gets the collateral given to him for his crime, dafug?!?!? there is no way out like other aspects of EVE.

The collateral is held by the SCC, an NPC corp, why would they give it to the criminal?

Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever!

Malthus Dethahal
Regnum Satanae
#2 - 2014-02-06 19:58:49 UTC
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
I was recently ganked in Niarja. the thing is I was running a courier contract with a large collateral. The character that issued the contract is the one that attacked me. Now I have never complained about high sec not being safe enough because I like the sandbox element. But common sense says that if I am attacked by my own contracter than the contract should be canceled. I can understand if a different character was used to initiate the gank but this is just ridiculous.


That is a pretty good point. Any sane person would consider the contract void. But then again, what if the guy that attacked you is your friend and he is just testing his guns on your ship. You should be able to manually cancel the contracts. That would make more sense.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#3 - 2014-02-06 20:02:39 UTC
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
I was recently ganked in Niarja. the thing is I was running a courier contract with a large collateral. The character that issued the contract is the one that attacked me. Now I have never complained about high sec not being safe enough because I like the sandbox element. But common sense says that if I am attacked by my own contracter than the contract should be canceled. I can understand if a different character was used to initiate the gank but this is just ridiculous.


Why is this an exploit?

Did you know people put up courier contracts to Nullsec stations that most players can't even dock in, thereby making it nearly impossible to complete the contract?

Also, how would you fix this? Everyone in EvE can make a 1-day alt to create the courier contract. You should appreciate that this person didn't bother to hide his identity, so you have a better chance at retribution.

I suggest naming the characters & corp responsible, over in the Crimes and Punishment forum. Sorry about your loss. Hopefully you'll take these risks into account on future contract activities.
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#4 - 2014-02-06 20:10:21 UTC
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
I was recently ganked in Niarja. the thing is I was running a courier contract with a large collateral. The character that issued the contract is the one that attacked me.


Translation: "I was greedy, and took a large risk involving a courier contract that led me through a predictable pipe. I did not bother to take any precautions. The contract was bait, and I got burned."

There's a reason why Red Frog accepts contracts with low-skilled contracting alts, and does the actual shipping on an out-of-corp basis. You are now aware of the reason. Bait contracts are a pretty ancient thing in EVE. If you plan to make money as a courier, you need to be prepared for it.
Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Knights Reborn
#5 - 2014-02-06 20:14:58 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
I was recently ganked in Niarja. the thing is I was running a courier contract with a large collateral. The character that issued the contract is the one that attacked me. Now I have never complained about high sec not being safe enough because I like the sandbox element. But common sense says that if I am attacked by my own contracter than the contract should be canceled. I can understand if a different character was used to initiate the gank but this is just ridiculous.


Why is this an exploit?

Did you know people put up courier contracts to Nullsec stations that most players can't even dock in, thereby making it nearly impossible to complete the contract?

Also, how would you fix this? Everyone in EvE can make a 1-day alt to create the courier contract. You should appreciate that this person didn't bother to hide his identity, so you have a better chance at retribution.

I suggest naming the characters & corp responsible, over in the Crimes and Punishment forum. Sorry about your loss. Hopefully you'll take these risks into account on future contract activities.


Yes, I am aware of all of that, this however was a high sec contract exclusively. I have lost ships to gankers before and have not complained because it was within reasonable mechanics. I think it is fine for a corp mate to grief you in this way because corps are built on trust anyways. But this outside of sane reasoning. If attacked by someone who issued you a contract than im sorry the contract should be cancelled if they are not a corp member. I mean the way it works now goes against all reason and sense. I was actually surprised I didn't get the money back because usually things in EVE are fair and reasonable.

Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever!

Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Knights Reborn
#6 - 2014-02-06 20:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Endovior wrote:
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
I was recently ganked in Niarja. the thing is I was running a courier contract with a large collateral. The character that issued the contract is the one that attacked me.


Translation: "I was greedy, and took a large risk involving a courier contract that led me through a predictable pipe. I did not bother to take any precautions. The contract was bait, and I got burned."

There's a reason why Red Frog accepts contracts with low-skilled contracting alts, and does the actual shipping on an out-of-corp basis. You are now aware of the reason. Bait contracts are a pretty ancient thing in EVE. If you plan to make money as a courier, you need to be prepared for it.


Dude, I am not against ganking, in fact it adds flavor to the game as I myself have been ganked before and lost much more than i did this time. What I am against is a mechanic that is absolutly, undeniably, ridiculous. I mean in real life this would be laughable, of COURSE i would get my money back, no question. And you need to read the post again, If I was attacked by someone other than the contract holder it would be fine.

Greedy? the payout was only like 20 mil for 12 jumps, come on dude.

Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever!

Mazzara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-06 20:22:21 UTC
This is true, you shouldn't be able to attack with the same pilot that issued the contract, or if its a corp contract any members of the corp that issued the contact, if they do there should be a punishment for contract fraud.
No matter how much you scrub, how hot of water you use, you can't wash shame!
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#8 - 2014-02-06 20:36:24 UTC
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
I was recently ganked in Niarja. the thing is I was running a courier contract with a large collateral. The character that issued the contract is the one that attacked me. Now I have never complained about high sec not being safe enough because I like the sandbox element. But common sense says that if I am attacked by my own contracter than the contract should be canceled. I can understand if a different character was used to initiate the gank but this is just ridiculous.


Why is this an exploit?

Did you know people put up courier contracts to Nullsec stations that most players can't even dock in, thereby making it nearly impossible to complete the contract?

Also, how would you fix this? Everyone in EvE can make a 1-day alt to create the courier contract. You should appreciate that this person didn't bother to hide his identity, so you have a better chance at retribution.

I suggest naming the characters & corp responsible, over in the Crimes and Punishment forum. Sorry about your loss. Hopefully you'll take these risks into account on future contract activities.


Yes, I am aware of all of that, this however was a high sec contract exclusively. I have lost ships to gankers before and have not complained because it was within reasonable mechanics. I think it is fine for a corp mate to grief you in this way because corps are built on trust anyways. But this outside of sane reasoning. If attacked by someone who issued you a contract than im sorry the contract should be cancelled if they are not a corp member. I mean the way it works now goes against all reason and sense. I was actually surprised I didn't get the money back because usually things in EVE are fair and reasonable.


Did the contract you agreed to specifically state they weren't allowed to attack you?

Public contracts can be accepted by anyone, even pilots you are at war with. I see no reason that the contract brokers would even pay attention to who prevented you from delivering the package you were contracted to deliver. They only care about whether you successfully completed the contract, which you didn't.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2014-02-06 20:37:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Quote:
I mean the way it works now goes against all reason and sense. I was actually surprised I didn't get the money back because usually things in EVE are fair and reasonable.

Calling troll.

Margin trading scam, trade-box scam, null-sec contract scam, 1 Tritainium for 1 Billion ISK scam, Double your ISK scam... and then you have suicide ganking, spies, AWOXers, blobbing, etc...

Nothing in EVE is fair or reasonable. Anyone who has actually played the game knows this.
Tavaz
Veldspar Industries
#10 - 2014-02-06 20:43:07 UTC
Use a contracting alt. Don't take contracts from sketchy sources. Limit yourself to what you can afford to lose. Learn from your mistake and move on. Sorry, but this isn't the first time this has happened and won't be the last. EVE is a harsh mistress, but if you're a good
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#11 - 2014-02-06 20:51:21 UTC
Mazzara wrote:
This is true, you shouldn't be able to attack with the same pilot that issued the contract, or if its a corp contract any members of the corp that issued the contact, if they do there should be a punishment for contract fraud.


Why?

Seriously, why?

A courier contract is: You will move this package from point A to point B for this reward. If you fail to complete it, you lose any collateral.

It is neutral to politics, and I see no reason to enforce "I failed because xxx... " Frankly, the reason for your failure is irrelevant!

And contract Fraud. I can put up a contract for a Raven, rename it to CNR, advertise it as a CNR, and if someone buys the raven for the CNR price there is no retribution. Have you seen this trailer by CCP: Causality

Deception, Theft, and Espionage are a fundamental component of the EvE universe, why should courier contracts be exempt from this?

Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Knights Reborn
#12 - 2014-02-06 20:52:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Marc McIntyre Crendraven
ShahFluffers wrote:
Quote:
I mean the way it works now goes against all reason and sense. I was actually surprised I didn't get the money back because usually things in EVE are fair and reasonable.

Calling troll.

Margin trading scam, trade-box scam, null-sec contract scam, 1 Tritainium for 1 Billion ISK scam, Double your ISK scam... and then you have suicide ganking, spies, AWOXers, blobbing, etc...

Nothing in EVE is fair or reasonable. Anyone who has actually played the game knows this.


ahh, playing the troll card I see.
let me clarify sometihng = fairness in terms of logical sense.

margin trading scam = although this one is debated, it's kind of like declaring bankrupcy where you don't have to buy something from market. the sale never actually goes through.

trade box scam = you get exactly what you see, your fault if you were not looking what that is.

null-sec contract scam = everyone know you go to null-sec be prepared to die because there is no law there, duh

1 trit for 1 bil = same as trade-box scam

double your isk scam = completely relying on someone's honesty, not smart

suicide ganking, spies, awoxers, blobbing = all makes perfect sense with game mechanics.

Attacking person who you have made a legal contract for = completely ok? dafug
im sorry but common sense demands a change

Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever!

Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Knights Reborn
#13 - 2014-02-06 20:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Mazzara wrote:
This is true, you shouldn't be able to attack with the same pilot that issued the contract, or if its a corp contract any members of the corp that issued the contact, if they do there should be a punishment for contract fraud.


Why?

Seriously, why?

A courier contract is: You will move this package from point A to point B for this reward. If you fail to complete it, you lose any collateral.

It is neutral to politics, and I see no reason to enforce "I failed because xxx... " Frankly, the reason for your failure is irrelevant!

And contract Fraud. I can put up a contract for a Raven, rename it to CNR, advertise it as a CNR, and if someone buys the raven for the CNR price there is no retribution. Have you seen this trailer by CCP: Causality

Deception, Theft, and Espionage are a fundamental component of the EvE universe, why should courier contracts be exempt from this?



Geez, will you please please read the post again, I'm sorry but it's like you are skipping everything.

I am all for courier contracts being traps and everything, like I have said numerous times, it's part of the sandbox. but if you enter into a legal contract and then attack the person you have working for you, why can't they cancel contract? If the person alerts corpmates to attack me than thats fine, at least it wasnt him. I have lost more than this from gankers and did not complain because it was within reason, but a mechanic that is not within reason is not a good mechanic.

Here is the jist of it, I am working for someone and they keep me from doing the job they want me to do and yet I am the one who has to pay for that? The authorites would make you forfeit the contract to say the least however, if it was another character who attacked the contract issuer could claim innocence.

Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever!

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#14 - 2014-02-06 21:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Mazzara wrote:
This is true, you shouldn't be able to attack with the same pilot that issued the contract, or if its a corp contract any members of the corp that issued the contact, if they do there should be a punishment for contract fraud.


Why?

Seriously, why?

A courier contract is: You will move this package from point A to point B for this reward. If you fail to complete it, you lose any collateral.

It is neutral to politics, and I see no reason to enforce "I failed because xxx... " Frankly, the reason for your failure is irrelevant!

And contract Fraud. I can put up a contract for a Raven, rename it to CNR, advertise it as a CNR, and if someone buys the raven for the CNR price there is no retribution. Have you seen this trailer by CCP: Causality

Deception, Theft, and Espionage are a fundamental component of the EvE universe, why should courier contracts be exempt from this?



Geez, will you please please read the post again, I'm sorry but it's like you are skipping everything.

I am all for courier contracts being traps and everything, like I have said numerous times, it's part of the sandbox. but if you enter into a legal contract and then attack the person you have working for you, why can't they cancel contract? If the person alerts corpmates to attack me than thats fine, at least it wasnt him. I have lost more than this from gankers and did not complain because it was within reason, but a mechanic that is not within reason is not a good mechanic.


To be frank, I don't see a way you could implement it fairly.

If you still have the contracted goods, you can still complete the contract. If you can't copmlete the contract, I can see some type of mechanic where you return the goods and get some of your collateral back (-15% restocking fee). However, is that a fair or legitimate conclusion? There are lost opportunity costs on behalf of your contractor that he'll feel you need to pay, and you feel you shouldn't have to pay anything because you blame him (whether true or not) for your inability to complete the contract.

If you lost the contracted goods, you can't return them. So there is no way you can make the contract right with him. And I can think of several insidious reasons to take a contract from an enemy: Perhaps you only accepted his contract as a ploy to move contraband through his patrolled area. If you got the collateral back, and he loses his package, then you just opened the door for any of his enemies (you) to cause financial loss if he stopped your weapon smuggling operation!

You see, contracts must remain politically neutral, because the contract commission just doesn't have the resources to investigate why you lost the packages you contractually agreed to deliver!
Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Knights Reborn
#15 - 2014-02-06 21:23:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Mazzara wrote:
This is true, you shouldn't be able to attack with the same pilot that issued the contract, or if its a corp contract any members of the corp that issued the contact, if they do there should be a punishment for contract fraud.


Why?

Seriously, why?

A courier contract is: You will move this package from point A to point B for this reward. If you fail to complete it, you lose any collateral.

It is neutral to politics, and I see no reason to enforce "I failed because xxx... " Frankly, the reason for your failure is irrelevant!

And contract Fraud. I can put up a contract for a Raven, rename it to CNR, advertise it as a CNR, and if someone buys the raven for the CNR price there is no retribution. Have you seen this trailer by CCP: Causality

Deception, Theft, and Espionage are a fundamental component of the EvE universe, why should courier contracts be exempt from this?



Geez, will you please please read the post again, I'm sorry but it's like you are skipping everything.

I am all for courier contracts being traps and everything, like I have said numerous times, it's part of the sandbox. but if you enter into a legal contract and then attack the person you have working for you, why can't they cancel contract? If the person alerts corpmates to attack me than thats fine, at least it wasnt him. I have lost more than this from gankers and did not complain because it was within reason, but a mechanic that is not within reason is not a good mechanic.


To be frank, I don't see a way you could implement it fairly.

If you still have the contracted goods, you can still complete the contract. If you can't copmlete the contract, I can see some type of mechanic where you return the goods and get some of your collateral back (-15% restocking fee). However, is that a fair or legitimate conclusion? There are lost opportunity costs on behalf of your contractor that he'll feel you need to pay, and you feel you shouldn't have to pay anything because you blame him (whether true or not) for your inability to complete the contract.

If you lost the contracted goods, you can't return them. So there is no way you can make the contract right with him. And I can think of several insidious reasons to take a contract from an enemy: Perhaps you only accepted his contract as a ploy to move contraband through his patrolled area. If you got the collateral back, and he loses his package, then you just opened the door for any of his enemies (you) to cause financial loss if he stopped your weapon smuggling operation!

You see, contracts must remain politically neutral, because the contract commission just doesn't have the resources to investigate why you lost the packages you contractually agreed to deliver!


It's extremely easy to implement fairly, if contractor attacks me than it's on him. if it was someone else than it's on me. I means here is an example. I agree to move stuff for a guy named tim, tim shakes my hand and when I turn around he stabs me. How is it hard to determine who's fault it is that the contract wasn't completed? Why do I have to pay when he stabbed me? if a friend of his was around the corner and stabbed me than tim could claim innocence and there is no way to prove him guilty, in which case it's on me that the contract wasn't completed. I mean come on people. this is extremly simple

I have updated the OP to reflect some more thoughts

Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever!

Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#16 - 2014-02-06 21:55:45 UTC
Mazzara wrote:
This is true, you shouldn't be able to attack with the same pilot that issued the contract, or if its a corp contract any members of the corp that issued the contact, if they do there should be a punishment for contract fraud.



You got got by one of the older tricks in eve. Welcome to eve......

When you take the contract they know (or can guess pretty good) what route you will take.

You got 3 options here.

1. Do not take the autopilot shortest route to desto. Most times they will be camped on a gate on this route.

2. do it the professional courier way. Alt takes contract, re rewraps in their own courier contract and hauler takes that contract up. this would be how red frog runs business as usual even if you bother to war dec them. YOu also don't know when the hell the actual red frog hauler pilot is coming. And you don't even have the real name to locator agent either.

3. Don't rush the courier job, Its got several days, don't be looking to pick it up and drop off in an hour or less. They see contract accepted, they will assume a rush delivery and get a real good estimate of your eta to gate. they are playing mind games, play them back and deliver several hours to days later. Camping psychology 101....longer they are there with no action more bored they will be.

In 0.0 you would have got me maybe for an hour of this crap detail before the urge to lie and say oh crap, wifey needs me would arise and I'd log off and get more excitement mission running on an empire alt. The punchline being mission running is boring, but less boring than camping lol. Life is too short to have circle jerks on gates for hours on end imo.

You can also see this coming down the road to know if you need to do the above. If the cargo you are carrying is collateral'd high but looking at the package its not worth the collateral.....its usually a sign.

Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Knights Reborn
#17 - 2014-02-06 22:08:27 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Mazzara wrote:
This is true, you shouldn't be able to attack with the same pilot that issued the contract, or if its a corp contract any members of the corp that issued the contact, if they do there should be a punishment for contract fraud.



You got got by one of the older tricks in eve. Welcome to eve......

When you take the contract they know (or can guess pretty good) what route you will take.

You got 3 options here.

1. Do not take the autopilot shortest route to desto. Most times they will be camped on a gate on this route.

2. do it the professional courier way. Alt takes contract, re rewraps in their own courier contract and hauler takes that contract up. this would be how red frog runs business as usual even if you bother to war dec them. YOu also don't know when the hell the actual red frog hauler pilot is coming. And you don't even have the real name to locator agent either.

3. Don't rush the courier job, Its got several days, don't be looking to pick it up and drop off in an hour or less. They see contract accepted, they will assume a rush delivery and get a real good estimate of your eta to gate. they are playing mind games, play them back and deliver several hours to days later. Camping psychology 101....longer they are there with no action more bored they will be.

In 0.0 you would have got me maybe for an hour of this crap detail before the urge to lie and say oh crap, wifey needs me would arise and I'd log off and get more excitement mission running on an empire alt. The punchline being mission running is boring, but less boring than camping lol. Life is too short to have circle jerks on gates for hours on end imo.

You can also see this coming down the road to know if you need to do the above. If the cargo you are carrying is collateral'd high but looking at the package its not worth the collateral.....its usually a sign.



good advice here, I appreciate it, but I am addressing a poor game mechanic right now, not the best way to move freight.

Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever!

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#18 - 2014-02-06 22:27:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Marc McIntyre Crendraven wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Mazzara wrote:
This is true, you shouldn't be able to attack with the same pilot that issued the contract, or if its a corp contract any members of the corp that issued the contact, if they do there should be a punishment for contract fraud.


Why?

Seriously, why?

A courier contract is: You will move this package from point A to point B for this reward. If you fail to complete it, you lose any collateral.

It is neutral to politics, and I see no reason to enforce "I failed because xxx... " Frankly, the reason for your failure is irrelevant!

And contract Fraud. I can put up a contract for a Raven, rename it to CNR, advertise it as a CNR, and if someone buys the raven for the CNR price there is no retribution. Have you seen this trailer by CCP: Causality

Deception, Theft, and Espionage are a fundamental component of the EvE universe, why should courier contracts be exempt from this?



Geez, will you please please read the post again, I'm sorry but it's like you are skipping everything.

I am all for courier contracts being traps and everything, like I have said numerous times, it's part of the sandbox. but if you enter into a legal contract and then attack the person you have working for you, why can't they cancel contract? If the person alerts corpmates to attack me than thats fine, at least it wasnt him. I have lost more than this from gankers and did not complain because it was within reason, but a mechanic that is not within reason is not a good mechanic.


To be frank, I don't see a way you could implement it fairly.

If you still have the contracted goods, you can still complete the contract. If you can't copmlete the contract, I can see some type of mechanic where you return the goods and get some of your collateral back (-15% restocking fee). However, is that a fair or legitimate conclusion? There are lost opportunity costs on behalf of your contractor that he'll feel you need to pay, and you feel you shouldn't have to pay anything because you blame him (whether true or not) for your inability to complete the contract.

If you lost the contracted goods, you can't return them. So there is no way you can make the contract right with him. And I can think of several insidious reasons to take a contract from an enemy: Perhaps you only accepted his contract as a ploy to move contraband through his patrolled area. If you got the collateral back, and he loses his package, then you just opened the door for any of his enemies (you) to cause financial loss if he stopped your weapon smuggling operation!

You see, contracts must remain politically neutral, because the contract commission just doesn't have the resources to investigate why you lost the packages you contractually agreed to deliver!


It's extremely easy to implement fairly, if contractor attacks me than it's on him. if it was someone else than it's on me. I means here is an example. I agree to move stuff for a guy named tim, tim shakes my hand and when I turn around he stabs me. How is it hard to determine who's fault it is that the contract wasn't completed? Why do I have to pay when he stabbed me? if a friend of his was around the corner and stabbed me than tim could claim innocence and there is no way to prove him guilty, in which case it's on me that the contract wasn't completed. I mean come on people. this is extremly simple

I have updated the OP to reflect some more thoughts


But the case you just described NEVER happens in EvE. The contract is public, and handled through brokers. With a public contractor, the contractor has no say who the broker gives the contract to. You only shake hands with a broker, and the broker never stabs you in the back!

Let me give you a more entertaining example: You are a trucker, accepting contracts from some moving company. You pickup a contract to move some soldiers belongings to a house on a military base. That soldier, who happened to be guarding the base, stops your van from coming on base because you don't have the proper clearance. It is NOT the soldiers fault you can't complete the contract, because you took the contract from the moving company claiming you could deliver to the military base. Whether you realized it was military base is irrelevant. Whether the soldier personally destroyed the UHAUL as it forced its way onto base is irrelevant. Your contract says you will take FULL responsibility for delivering the package to the destination, or you will forfeit the collateral.

The ENTIRE EvE universe is a war zone, irregardless of whether you are taking sides in any particular conflict. Ship destruction happens everywhere, for many reasons, and it makes complete sense that the broker's commission just doesn't have the resources to determine if you were "fairly" blown up by the character or corp that setup the courier contract. And if they DID start refunding collateral in the manner you suggest, they'd drown in political hurricane to ensue. To keep business simple and practical, they stay neutral. You know who requested the contract, you know where the contract is heading to, it is your responsibility to move the contract to the destination, and deal with any and all potential threats you may encounter. Failure forfeits your collateral, plain and simple!
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#19 - 2014-02-06 22:28:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Quote:
I am addressing a poor game mechanic right now, not the best way to move freight.


And we're telling you it isn't a poor game mechanic... it's like every other mechanic in the game; it doesn't care of someone screws you over. It's YOUR job to protect yourself... even from your friends/employers (especially from your friends/employers).
Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#20 - 2014-02-06 22:30:34 UTC
There's no point to changing the mechanics, because its so trivially easy to issue the contract through an alt.

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