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[Rubicon 1.3] Drone Assist change

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Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#401 - 2014-02-06 18:25:02 UTC
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

As a pilot with investment in leadership skills, [BIAS DISCLOSED], it would better neat to have a way for those to play into drone assist in someway.

Skilling up to fly links takes a while and commitment, but isn't used very often in casual/impromptu fleets. The gap between Leadership V and 5/5/5/5 to being able to fly links is pretty long with not a lot of benefits while you are on that path.

Having drone assist capabilities tied to specific leadership skills might be a way to make the skills more useful to those that have invested the time.


MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#402 - 2014-02-06 18:25:25 UTC
Llyona wrote:
Kappy Ukap wrote:

Server side:
Anyhow tbh making the server more powerful would be an option but can CCP do that with how much it could cost?


It's not a matter of cost, but possibility. CCP is already using the best servers money can buy. The "next gen" server platforms just haven't come out yet.


and yet still use single core processing...

its 2014 not 2003... eve code needs a complete re-write from scratch... it might take several years but should be a priority just like crimewatch rewrite was.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Viktor Fel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#403 - 2014-02-06 18:26:56 UTC
This is a step in the right direction CCP

Maybe soon we can have some internet spaceship diversity once more. For months it has been nothing but drone boats and it was just irritating. All I was seeing in fights was ceptors, domis, caps and supers; bad-fleets where half the people are afk after hitting drone assist.; a bunch more tidi due to all the drones in a given fight system.

progodlegend
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#404 - 2014-02-06 18:27:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
We went through all the use cases we could think of, and 50 dones was enough for every reasonable use. If we missed any (EVE is big!), then let us know. But it's pretty hard to think of a non abusive case that 50 dones won't be enough for.


For as long as we discussed every single possible angle for abusing drone assign, I hope we covered everything. Glad to finally see the change in game.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#405 - 2014-02-06 18:27:24 UTC
What if there is a smaller drone inside?!

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them

Johan March
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#406 - 2014-02-06 18:28:22 UTC
CCP, don't listen to the haters. You did the right thing. :happysun:

Sentry Drones V, you can wait a few months.
Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#407 - 2014-02-06 18:28:26 UTC
Good change CCP, these mechanics have needed a change for awhile imo. I'm a little bit concerned about the cap being 50, that seems a little bit low when you consider that's a grand total of 10 drone ships (I think 100 would have been a bit better of a number). For example, if I'm bashing a POS with 24 of my friends and we all can field a full complement of drones (unlikely given what we fly but stick with me here) then we would need 2.5, so 3, drone bunnies as opposed to the current 1. If the cap was 100 then we would only need 1.25 drone bunnies (so 2), and given that our fleet is unlikely to be composed of many drone ships we could reasonably continue having 1 person manage the fleets drones while the rest of us manage our guns/watch d-scan/ect. Just some perspective from the little guy.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#408 - 2014-02-06 18:29:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
BoomBoss wrote:
Venetian Tar wrote:
BoomBoss wrote:
So, goons cry they are unable to counter an established slowcat fleet and you just say; "Ok, we go nerf it then". Are you f*cking serious?

It just so happens that whatever the CFC wants, or whatever the biggest coalition is at that time, you give them. History (bpo's) repeating itself again?


We won the war and even abused the **** out of it ourselves before these changes were announced, but keep crying about it.


You haven't won the war, it isn't over yet. There was just a loss of a lot of shiny boats and we lose a region. Big f*cking deal!


Three regions, at least, and that's assuming you don't fail cascade over getting your big shiny toys taken away. But lets not quibble, the important thing to remember is that N3 is terrible at EVE.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#409 - 2014-02-06 18:30:32 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why 50? That still seems too much.
I can only control 5 drones from my ship natively, but for some reason I can use 50 from others?

One squad of 10 ships = 50 drones.


yes 10 carriers makes 100 drones...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#410 - 2014-02-06 18:30:32 UTC
While the decided limit of 50 drones seems fair enough except to carrier pilots perhaps, the same could have been accomplished by adjusting the available bandwidth of ships. Skills would still limit any one individual subcap pilot to 5 drones at a time and carriers to 10, while a trigger ship could be responsible for up to how ever many sentries, smalls, or what-have-you, will fill its allotment of bandwidth.

In this way you could have carriers with 12500Mb of bandwidth and thus able to use 100 sentries, one full squad of assigned sentry drones. A Dominix would have 7500Mb, and able to trigger for 50 sentries. They could ofc also trigger for a metric ****-tonne of warriors. But why you would want to do that other than to intentionally cause lag, I don't know.

Small ships like interceptors could have only a couple smalls assigned.

Its kind of silly to even have bandwidth since it almost never comes into play except on a few certain ships with odd amounts of bandwidth like 40 or 75Mb.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#411 - 2014-02-06 18:30:51 UTC
Llyona wrote:
It's not a matter of cost, but possibility. CCP is already using the best servers money can buy. The "next gen" server platforms just haven't come out yet.

The "next gen" server platforms aren't coming.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Onisean
Perkone
Caldari State
#412 - 2014-02-06 18:37:29 UTC
Johan March wrote:
CCP, don't listen to the haters. You did the right thing. :happysun:

Sentry Drones V, you can wait a few months.

Wow, so unexpected from a goon to like this change.
Tags'n Ammo
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#413 - 2014-02-06 18:38:08 UTC
Good change. A carrier without a triage module should be as worthless as a dread without siege.
progodlegend
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#414 - 2014-02-06 18:41:01 UTC
Tags'n Ammo wrote:
Good change. A carrier without a triage module should be as worthless as a dread without siege.


So like, I support this drone assign nerf entirely, even helped argue for it. But this statement is pretty ********.
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#415 - 2014-02-06 18:41:19 UTC
Tags'n Ammo wrote:
Good change. A carrier without a triage module should be as worthless as a dread without siege.

Cannot tell if troll. It would be better if dreads without siege could be as useful as a carrier without triage. Obligatory modules does not make for interesting choices.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#416 - 2014-02-06 18:42:00 UTC
Kappy Ukap wrote:
If you read the statistics on the HED battle, Drone assist doctrines caused x5 more server load than a normal doctrine would in a battle of that size.

This nerf doesn't address that at all.

Kappy Ukap wrote:
And you'd require an extremely powerful server to process ALL of EVE itself as well as the +4000 battles. The drone assist fix will reducing lag and reducing terrible AFK doctrines. EVE is meant to be played, not left.

Then fix tidi. The problem is tidi, not drone assist. People afk in 6 hour tidi fights. No one sits at their computer for 6 straight hours if they don't have drones deployed.

Also, AFK doctrines make tidi not terrible.

To repeat myself, no one competent who runs drone assist only uses one trigger.

Kappy Ukap wrote:
And it isn't possible to put EVE on a more powerful server, EVE is running the most powerful servers it can.

How do you have personal, first hand knowledge of this?

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#417 - 2014-02-06 18:42:45 UTC
Xython wrote:
[quote=BoomBoss]Three regions, at least, and that's assuming you don't fail cascade over getting your big shiny toys taken away. But lets not quibble, the important thing to remember is that N3 is terrible at EVE.


sigh i remember when goons were proud to be terrible at this game

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#418 - 2014-02-06 18:43:12 UTC
Johan March wrote:
CCP, don't listen to the haters. You did the right thing. :happysun:

Sentry Drones V, you can wait a few months.


I absolutely recommend training for t2 sentries. They're still excellent.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

1Of9
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#419 - 2014-02-06 18:43:24 UTC
Darius JOHNSON wrote:
I hope this explanation has pounded its way into your skull.


darious jonhsun been bad .... tsc tsc
Johan March
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#420 - 2014-02-06 18:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan March
Onisean wrote:
Johan March wrote:
CCP, don't listen to the haters. You did the right thing. :happysun:

Sentry Drones V, you can wait a few months.

Wow, so unexpected from a goon to like this change.


Dude, it was just as unexpected for me too since I love the Dominix so much. My wife even knit me a sweater in the shape of a Dominix so I was really expecting to be pissed off if CCP did something drastic like take away drones completely or force the drones to go skynet and target random people. But the change was very mild; so mild that I breathed a very audible sigh of relief.

Rise and Fozzie <3

Malcanis wrote:
Johan March wrote:
CCP, don't listen to the haters. You did the right thing. :happysun:

Sentry Drones V, you can wait a few months.


I absolutely recommend training for t2 sentries. They're still excellent.


I'll get there, but since sentries will not likely be the meta and my character is still relatively young, SP-wise, it's a 30 day train that can wait a little while. I prefer flying small stuff or logi anyway.