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Saima Oriki
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-06 15:46:35 UTC
Hey, i'd like to know what are the options for me. I've been skilling up to fly a retreiver for now, while reading about what I can do later on. (this will take roughtly ( 10 to 15 days). This will serve to finance my PvP ships.

What i'd like to do later on is faction PvP and solo or small gang roaming. I don't know wich ship would be good to aim for. (that won't take 6 month to train). I'd like a fast ship(shield tanking) that can shoot from afar. More like kitting. (No drones)
And I beleive that it will be possible to do some mission this ship too for making ISK when i don't feel like mining.

Thanks !
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2 - 2014-02-06 15:54:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Saima Oriki wrote:
Hey, i'd like to know what are the options for me. I've been skilling up to fly a retreiver for now, while reading about what I can do later on. (this will take roughtly ( 10 to 15 days). This will serve to finance my PvP ships.
Look into the Procurer over the Retriever, people like to kill mining ships, even in highsec, and it's a lot harder to kill than the Retriever, mines nearly as well and was cheaper last time I checked. It does however have a smaller Orehold.

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What i'd like to do later on is faction PvP and solo or small gang roaming. I don't know wich ship would be good to aim for. (that won't take 6 month to train). I'd like a fast ship(shield tanking) that can shoot from afar. More like kitting. (No drones)
And I beleive that it will be possible to do some mission this ship too for making ISK when i don't feel like mining.

Thanks !
Check out the Caracal, it can be used for PvE or PvP depending on how you fit it, is a shield tanker and uses missiles so you get plenty of range. As for drones, don't dismiss them, they're really handy for taking out smaller stuff, will continue to kill stuff when you're jammed and are generally a handy thing to be able to use, they're useful for taking out belt rats when you're mining too.

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Cela Kashuken
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2014-02-06 15:55:02 UTC
I'm not too familiar with much else but Amarr ships, but it sounds like the initial ship you will want to use is the Merlin. I'll leave the fittings to others that are more familiar with shield tanking.

Beyond that I can see you going for interceptors in the end. They are the best suited for kiting but I don't have any personal experience with them. most I've flown is assault frigates which are quite fun.

Anyways, do the tutorials if you haven't done them already and then find a corp that best suits you. Brave Newbies or Eve University are 2 good ones.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-02-06 15:58:31 UTC
And as a 'baby-Caracal', take a look at the Kestrel.

Also keep in mind that mining isnt the best income and that missions can net you more and come with same type of skills needed.

This is why I hat the tutorials, all new players think they can do for income is mine..

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2014-02-06 16:01:56 UTC
An hour or so mining in a Retriever will give you plenty of ISK for a Rifter or the frigate of your choice. A few hours to train for tackle and a cloak and you are good to go.

I'd stay away from solo to start, though. Best to hook up with a PVP corp that enjoys small gang fighting There are some newb friendly FW corps that are good places to get a handle on things and some even have ship replacement plans.

PVP in this game is more about what you know than what you fly. So start in inexpensive ships that you don't mind losing. Because losing them is all you'll be doing for a while. You'll be frustrated at first. This is perfectly normal and we all went through it. Just hang in there and you'll be having a blast soon enough making someone else lose their ships.

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Saima Oriki
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-02-06 16:09:32 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Look into the Procurer over the Retriever, people like to kill mining ships, even in highsec, and it's a lot harder to kill than the Retriever, mines nearly as well and was cheaper last time I checked. It does however have a smaller Orehold.


Thanks for this advice!

I will look to fit a Kestrel while skilling for the Caracal. This will help me practice PvP. What I don't understand is the fact that a small **** can kill a bigger one :S.

And how is mission running more profitable ? Will I be able to complete mission with a Kestrel/Caracal ? Willl it be more profitable?
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-02-06 16:15:37 UTC
If you're main goal is PvP I would rethink training for a mining barge. It will take time away from training combat skills which can be useful both for PVP and mission running. You mention "faction PvP". If by this you mean Faction Warfare, that is another good reason not to mine. When in Faction Warfare members of the opposing faction are able to shoot you anywhere, including your mining barge in high sec.

The good news is there is another option for making isk when you are part of faction warfare. Running faction warfare plexes can be quite lucrative, and definitely yields enough to let you experiment with different frigates in PvP.

If you aren't planning to join faction warfare and you just want to mine sometimes then you should be fairly safe in high sec in a mining barge. The above advice about the procurer is good advice.

And as far as ships go, there are many frigates which can be fit for kiting. Stick to frigates for a while until you have a good source of income and feel confident losing more expensive ships. Check out this website which has a great description of the different types of tech 1 frigates and common ways to fit and fly them.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#8 - 2014-02-06 16:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Saima Oriki wrote:
I will look to fit a Kestrel while skilling for the Caracal. This will help me practice PvP. What I don't understand is the fact that a small **** can kill a bigger one :S.
A bee can kill a man, a man can kill an elephant. Bigger doesn't always mean better.

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And how is mission running more profitable ? Will I be able to complete mission with a Kestrel/Caracal ? Willl it be more profitable?
Mining is the bottom of the food chain, it's a steady but low income, think of it as a job at McDonalds.

A Kestrel is more than capable of completing lvl 1 missions, it can do some lvl 2's if your skills are top notch. The Caracal is suited to running lvl 2 missions and possibly some of the lvl 3's with good skills.

Missions on the whole pay more per hour than mining once you get to lvl 3's, you get LP from missions which can be traded in the LP store for goodies to sell on the market, there's also the loot and salvage if you want to collect it.

The normal progression for missions is

  • lvl 1 = frigate/destroyer
  • lvl 2 = cruiser
  • lvl 3 = battlecruiser
  • lvl 4 = battleship (lvl 1 through 3 are a fairly linear progression in terms of difficulty, lvl 4s are a big step up)
  • lvl 5 = friends with battleships (these are solely in lowsec and people will hunt you down and kill you for giggles, because they can)

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Saima Oriki
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-06 16:51:56 UTC
Thanks that is some good information :). I'll prolly abandon the idea of mining for now. and focus on running mission since it pays more :S
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-02-06 17:06:06 UTC
Not only does it pays more.

It also needs the same skills that you need for PvP. So you can train skills, use them and learn the game all at the same time.

Whereas with mining, once you have your barge. You have to start combat skills in the mean while you are there sitting lokking at asteroids. Not only is it boring, it also doesnt give you any knowledge about how to shoot thingd.

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Chainsaw Plankton
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#11 - 2014-02-06 18:51:20 UTC
it might take a short while for the pay to become more, but as J'Poll just said you are training pvp skills as well.

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Saima Oriki
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-02-06 19:03:45 UTC
Yeah, thanks for the tips :)
Aawyr
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-02-06 22:02:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aawyr
J'Poll wrote:
And as a 'baby-Caracal', take a look at the Kestrel.

Also keep in mind that mining isnt the best income and that missions can net you more and come with same type of skills needed.

This is why I hat the tutorials, all new players think they can do for income is mine..

Actually no, Providing you join a Mining/Industry corp operating out of nullsec I'm sure you can fleet up with other miners in the Corp and not only make money at a very good rate for a reasonably low amount of SP but get protection from them whilst making money at a far superior rate then if you had of dumped those points into getting a PvE ship, Sure you could do the same for RATS ect but I think you will find people far less willing to share RATS than a belt.
Mynutor
Myn Industries
#14 - 2014-02-06 22:11:58 UTC
You can make more money with everything else than mining. (Mission running, Faction Warfare, Trading, Incursions, Industry etc.)

I know, I'm a miner. Big smile

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-02-06 22:33:02 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Aawyr wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
And as a 'baby-Caracal', take a look at the Kestrel.

Also keep in mind that mining isnt the best income and that missions can net you more and come with same type of skills needed.

This is why I hat the tutorials, all new players think they can do for income is mine..

Actually no, Providing you join a Mining/Industry corp operating out of nullsec I'm sure you can fleet up with other miners in the Corp and not only make money at a very good rate for a reasonably low amount of SP but get protection from them whilst making money at a far superior rate then if you had of dumped those points into getting a PvE ship, Sure you could do the same for RATS ect but I think you will find people far less willing to share RATS than a belt.


*cough* I made my first half bil in 1.5 month (with game time being as little as about 5 - 6 hours a week) "assisting" mission runners as a new player, which at that time, was near enough worth 2 PLEX.

With assisting I mean: either fly frigate and help them in level 4 missions by picking off the smaller stuff (thank got for old aggro system) or by being the "pre-noctis-era" salvager in my Corm.

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