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A few question about the HISEC POCO Wars...

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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#21 - 2014-02-05 19:42:19 UTC
It was just a CCP/GS collaboration to extend rental income into highsec disguised as taxes so GS could afford to put blue sprinkles all the ways around the donut.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#22 - 2014-02-05 20:00:30 UTC
I just launch my stuff from the command center.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#23 - 2014-02-05 20:09:59 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
I just launch my stuff from the command center.


Some people are just modern day flagellants.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-02-05 22:00:03 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
It was just a CCP/GS collaboration to extend rental income into highsec disguised as taxes so GS could afford to put blue sprinkles all the ways around the donut.

Hahaha, the donut has now become a Danish

mmmm, tatse like Goons, with an RvB filling in the middle.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-02-06 00:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Muestereate wrote:
It was just a CCP/GS collaboration to extend rental income into highsec disguised as taxes so GS could afford to put blue sprinkles all the ways around the donut.


I love how people who never leave highsec are always deeply concerned about what situations are brewing in nullsec. As I recall "The Blue Donut" was coined last year and since then we've seen two very satisfying and destructive wars.

It's not OUR fault we keep winning.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#26 - 2014-02-06 01:04:18 UTC
Thanks to CCP funding Cry
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-02-06 01:06:32 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Muestereate wrote:
It was just a CCP/GS collaboration to extend rental income into highsec disguised as taxes so GS could afford to put blue sprinkles all the ways around the donut.


I love how people who never leave highsec are always deeply concerned about what situations are brewing in nullsec. As I recall "The Blue Donut" was coined last year and since then we've seen two very satisfying and destructive wars.

It's not OUR fault we keep winning.


I heard it in NPC corp chat from a vet who's saved the damsel over 5k times. Gotta be the truth.

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Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#28 - 2014-02-06 01:10:30 UTC
RvB took over roughly 300 POCOs in the weeks following the patch. We took a break but we'll probably go and grab a few hundred more over the next few months. Its great really!
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#29 - 2014-02-06 01:34:33 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
It was just a CCP/GS collaboration to extend rental income into highsec disguised as taxes so GS could afford to put blue sprinkles all the ways around the donut.


I am looking forward to the next step in this iteration of Rubicon's "empires losing their grasp" = more high sec income streams being controlled by players = controlled by goons and their associates like the whores RvB.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#30 - 2014-02-06 01:39:55 UTC
What tax rate do RvB typically set on their POCOs?

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Mario Putzo
#31 - 2014-02-06 01:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Kyle Yanowski wrote:
I think we are in violent agreement. Here is another question then... is the incentive just not great enough for HIGHSEC corps to go to war?


First, you have to declare war, which costs ISK. Most highseccers are war adversed anyways, and adversed to spending ISK, so the chances of a highsec entity actually declaring war is very low. On top of that, it would require cooperation between more than 2 people to get the job done, and highsec cooperation is like herding cats, so that's another strike. But then theres the big thing: When you declare war, the other party can shoot back! Having the unknown of someone potentially shooting back is too much for the average highseccer.

Now, there will be exceptions to the above, but those exceptions will be the highsec wing of a null entity or someone who isn't afraid of some pew with something that isn't a bunch of red crosses on the overview.


GOD DAMMIT.

The word is AVERSE. Not Adversed (which isn't even a ******* word but it is also not Adverse which means something different.)

ex Highsec carebears are risk averse cowards.

or

Highsec has an adverse effect on carebears willingness to put ISK on the line.

And for my 2 cents.

Highsec people just don't give a **** about fighting each other. If they did they wouldn't be in highsec. They want to do whatever their thing is and don't give a **** what you are doing, or try to do about it. Declare war on them and they will happily dock for a week, or just leave corp and continue about their ways. But its not any different than the same personalities in 0.0. The guys in 0.0 just depend on other people to do the lifting for them instead of just having a system in place to begin with.

Case in point, Why So Serious being booted from their space....without a shot being fired.

Cowards are cowards. There are some guys in Highsec who are making money off this otherwise they wouldn't bother doing it, and if RvB or w/e wants to be kings of Poco's then go ahead, because most people in highsec don't give a ****. If taxes go up 30% all over HS. Prices won't be far behind.
Lister Vindaloo
5 Tons of Flax
#32 - 2014-02-06 03:42:21 UTC
There's basically no margin in hisec PI anyway, as said above, taxes go up by 30% so will prices.

If the mechanic somehow allowed small groups to control POCOs maybe you would see some conflict but there are too few large organized groups in Hisec to justify the effort when a Relatively small null group can come in and control as many as they want.

If hisec POCOs had been used to introduce hisec dwellers to the concepts of Sov and "owning" things in space we might have seen more player flow from hisec to low, null and wormholes, instead they've given up on owning anything and PI as well...
Pix Severus
Empty You
#33 - 2014-02-06 03:50:57 UTC
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-02-06 04:40:03 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Muestereate wrote:
It was just a CCP/GS collaboration to extend rental income into highsec disguised as taxes so GS could afford to put blue sprinkles all the ways around the donut.


I am looking forward to the next step in this iteration of Rubicon's "empires losing their grasp" = more high sec income streams being controlled by players = controlled by goons and their associates like the whores RvB.

Wow...I'm looking forward to that, too!

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#35 - 2014-02-06 04:48:17 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
....like the whores RvB.

Shocked

.....show me on the USB Rifter where RvB touched you.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#36 - 2014-02-06 05:03:24 UTC
Why would anybody do anything that let's other people make money off them without working for it? WTF? I already pay for the game why do I have to pay for others. Why should my work pay for the Plexes of others especially others that don't play the game the way I want them to. Largest power block plays for free? That's what iTs come down to.. As soon as I find that any fees taxes or profits go to a major Powerblock I just quit doing it.. T3 no thanks, t2 no thanks, rentals no thanks, Pi no thanks.
Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-02-06 07:56:02 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Nykala wrote:

Not when your comp is crap and you get socket errors en route or the whole thing freezes up for a minute and you have to force the client to shut down, just to get it to respond. =) big reason I can't enjoy low/null is because of hardware issues. *edit* also, I venture into nullsec weekly via exploration/interdiction nullified tech 3s. Above issues prevent me from staying there for longer, and if i was to spend time in null, it would ONLY be for exploration. Spent months there in a few different groups on other chars. Most of what null has to offer doesn't really interest me...but that is another topic.


Right. Hold the playerbase responsible for your sub-par equipment. Yup, it's all our fault.

You are better off with a psychologist to deal with this kind of petty but huge whining about your personal financial life in general, that matters not to CCP or other players.


Hmmm. I'm thinking the dude freaking out on an internet forum over absolutely nothing might be the one who needs the psychologist. Roll
Honrado deQuiros
Cartella Shipments and Storage
#38 - 2014-02-06 08:07:02 UTC
I've been doing a lot of PI back then, then the patch, aggressive POCO owners, etc etc.. I've been able to fund multiple accounts before with "just" hisec PI income plus some other income streams.

I'll probably move my PI to low/WH if ever I get the time for it.


Does anyone of you follow the PI mats volume traded before and after the PI Customs Office changes? It would be great if a dev or ccp published something like this..
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-02-06 09:47:57 UTC
High sec PI would need to be buffed a bit to be really worthwhile.

Take too long to recover the cost of a single poco in high sec.

So high sec needs better PI OR there need new high sec POCOs, that can only be used in high sec but cost 50 mil isk.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-02-06 09:49:06 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
Why would anybody do anything that let's other people make money off them without working for it? WTF? I already pay for the game why do I have to pay for others. Why should my work pay for the Plexes of others especially others that don't play the game the way I want them to. Largest power block plays for free? That's what iTs come down to.. As soon as I find that any fees taxes or profits go to a major Powerblock I just quit doing it.. T3 no thanks, t2 no thanks, rentals no thanks, Pi no thanks.



Butthurt is strong on this one.

You are the one loosing. They are not gettign less rich.. but you are getting way poorer player experience.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"