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New BC's are glass cannons?
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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#21 - 2011-11-26 10:40:26 UTC
bebe kitteh wrote:
I have one very real question:
"why are the new third teir Battlecruisers that are cappable of firing Battleship weapons, made of paper?"
Seriously, change the name, skill requirements and call these "T2 destroyers".
based on what I read about the blaster tweak/rebalance, who in the hell is going to equip a nagga with 'blasters'?
Missiles are the caldari racial weapon, so why is the naga a BLASTER BOAT?
you can not speed tank in a BC with an orbit under 75km-
too many ships will neut,disrupt, web, the stuffing out of you if you try it.


I am not going to buy a ship that can't survive one volley from a MACHARIEL!
(by the way 14K+ volley damage at 146 KM is just awesome,Evil
Especially when you tack on how tough a mach is compared to these new BC's)
I am not going to buy a ship that can be torn apart by a dramiel!
I want to ba ble to stand a fricking chance against a LOKI....

I am not lining up to buy plex to buy and fit one of these "t2 destroyers".

there is a massive balance problem right now. that being pirate faction ships.
can the empires get a clue, and reverse engineer some of these things?

I mean, holly hell! with a set of Halo implants the dramiel has a 27 signature, a POD has 25 signature!
comparing the pod to a dramiel,, and then using the same ratios to improve every ship in the game would be NICE!

Alright, Don't buy one then... don't think your holding every ship builder in EVE to ransom with this 'threat'

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
bebe kitteh
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-11-26 10:40:27 UTC
*blink* blink* this is wierd. make your sigg bigger- I can't hear you, and post twice sum moar plz, kthnx
Generals4
#23 - 2011-11-26 10:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Generals4
So your complaint is that a sniper fitted pirate battleship can kill a shortrange fitted strategic cruiser when said battleship is in a ideal sniper situation?

What about the opposite, what if you catch the mach at a short range situation and it can't even land a volley on you? should mach pilots cry "T3's are OP" because they lose in the worst case scenario of a sniper fitted BS?

On top of that if the mach is that far just warp away.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#24 - 2011-11-26 10:45:03 UTC
bebe kitteh wrote:
*blink* blink* this is wierd. make your sigg bigger- I can't hear you, and post twice sum moar plz, kthnx

I know this is the EVE forums and all, but why do so many people make a thread asking for answers then whine and complain when people disagree with them, making themselves look like collosal idiots?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Generals4
#25 - 2011-11-26 10:49:10 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
bebe kitteh wrote:
*blink* blink* this is wierd. make your sigg bigger- I can't hear you, and post twice sum moar plz, kthnx

I know this is the EVE forums and all, but why do so many people make a thread asking for answers then whine and complain when people disagree with them, making themselves look like collosal idiots?


Because this is the internet. People don't want discussions they just want to hear yes-men agreeing with them.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#26 - 2011-11-26 10:51:05 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
bebe kitteh wrote:
*blink* blink* this is wierd. make your sigg bigger- I can't hear you, and post twice sum moar plz, kthnx

I know this is the EVE forums and all, but why do so many people make a thread asking for answers then whine and complain when people disagree with them, making themselves look like collosal idiots?


Because this is the internet. People don't want discussions they just want to hear yes-men agreeing with them.

I agree!

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-11-26 10:51:39 UTC
bebe kitteh wrote:
Cryten Jones wrote:
/me thinks someone just lost a big Tengu fit to a MACHARIEL in low sec....bitter much :-)
Adapt or die, this is all.

Shocked
yes I did.Cry

anywho, let's play your game: how would you adapt a tengu to waltz through repeated 14k+ volley damage?
what if your not able to run, for some damn reason or another? how would you people do it?
Many of you claim to be smart, show me how and I'll GTFO+ STFU+ L2P.



I wouldn't fit it for PvE and then jump it un scouted into a 0.3 system.

And you do of course understand the difference between Tech 3 ( a 700 Mill Tengu) and Tier 3 ( a 50 Mill BC ) since we started off the thread talking about Tier 3 glass cannons.
bebe kitteh
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-11-26 10:56:06 UTC
Shocked I was replying to the poster whoese signature is ascII faces, rows and rows of it.
I don't look for yes men. I just hope for more than snide insults and put downs.

I agree that these new BC ships will be great at something, that something is being popped.

I agree that the mach is expensive and does it's job well,
I agree that.... ships have roles and team work is the point of most online games.
I agree...

crap. people.


I guess I get to stay right where I am.
Amro One
One.
#29 - 2011-11-26 11:02:08 UTC
why are SB glass cannons?
bebe kitteh
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-11-26 11:10:33 UTC
Amro One wrote:
why are SB glass cannons?

I would guess that it is becuase they have considerable advantages, stealth and heavy weaponry.
this would be an encouragement to use tactics, and apply the ship's role as often as possible.

I know Stealth bombers are fragile, yet a group of 5 of them working together with a good FC- they become scary as all get out.

on the other hand, I have seen a player try to take one against a destroyer. in a face to face, "fair fight".
the destroyer kilt him befor breakfast.

So the lesson here for me is...

learn my ship's role and applicable tactics?
Tore Vest
#31 - 2011-11-26 11:12:03 UTC
Have read somwhere that tier3 bc are good miningships P

No troll.
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-11-26 11:13:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ThisIsntMyMain
Quote:
learn my ship's role and applicable tactics?

Very good young padawan
bebe kitteh
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-11-26 11:16:29 UTC
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
Quote:
learn my ship's role and applicable tactics?

Very good young padawan


okay, I will now GTFO+ STFU+ L2P...
any ideas on where I should go looking for my schooling?
Dirty Weegie
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-11-26 11:18:18 UTC
Dont feed trolls, it only makes them more stupid

If you can't win fair... Cheat

TDR is Recruiting
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#35 - 2011-11-26 11:19:12 UTC
for belt ratting the talos will be rather nice...

fit wiith

8 nutron blaster II with Null

mids:
10mn ab II
tracking comp II optimal range script
then two meta iv large shield extenders

lows:
3 mag stab II
2 tracking comp II

rigs:
3 shield extender rigs

drones:
5 hobgoblins

you are doing 950 dps with drone out to 45km with fall off...

it does not matter that it has no tank kill it kills so fast...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#36 - 2011-11-26 11:19:15 UTC
bebe kitteh wrote:
Shocked I was replying to the poster whoese signature is ascII faces, rows and rows of it.
I don't look for yes men. I just hope for more than snide insults and put downs.

I agree that these new BC ships will be great at something, that something is being popped.

I agree that the mach is expensive and does it's job well,
I agree that.... ships have roles and team work is the point of most online games.
I agree...

crap. people.


I guess I get to stay right where I am.

High sec ganking is also a role, and even the others would be good as a kind of heavy hitter for smaller more mobile fleets, with logistic support of course

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2011-11-26 11:19:21 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
bebe kitteh wrote:
*blink* blink* this is wierd. make your sigg bigger- I can't hear you, and post twice sum moar plz, kthnx

I know this is the EVE forums and all, but why do so many people make a thread asking for answers then whine and complain when people disagree with them, making themselves look like collosal idiots?


Because this is the internet. People don't want discussions they just want to hear yes-men agreeing with them.


That's hardly unique to the internet.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-11-26 11:25:17 UTC
bebe kitteh wrote:
any ideas on where I should go looking for my schooling?


https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/EVE%20University
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#39 - 2011-11-26 11:29:34 UTC
bebe kitteh wrote:
I have one very real question:
"why are the new third teir Battlecruisers that are cappable of firing Battleship weapons, made of paper?"
.......



My understanding is that the new Tier 3 BC are intended for a specific purpose, which is an effective weapon against capital ship dominated fleets. This encourages diversity of fleet compositions, since a good FC will have to consider a counter to the possibility of bumping into a fleet with a healthy compliment of Tier 3 BCs.

Respectfully, I don't believe that the intention was to create a new FOTM solo mission ship and I guess that having a 'glass tank' prevents this. I like the look of the Tornado but I'll probably be sticking with my Hurricane for solo/small gang roams.
Phyress
Isumi Industries
#40 - 2011-11-26 11:31:16 UTC
Also, I've heard rumors of these lovely classes of ship whose role is 'EWAR'. I think that they might have some nice synergy with the new battlecruisers.

Of course, this would require you to play with other people, but who plays MMO's for the multiplayer?