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Highsec PvP-ers needed for foreverwar against Goons

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1201 - 2014-02-05 23:57:42 UTC
Miko Jin wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Zeus Maximo wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's no secret that the lemmings will recruit anybody, in fact that is their selling point.
From a third party looking in you could also say the same thing, recruitment wise, for the CFC and RVB.
They would only recruit newbies into newbie programs. Most alliance don't just have an open door to anyone and everyone, and those that do wouldn't cite their raw numbers as a sign of strength.

I'm in no way saying that the CFC are superior and that no group of 300 people could cause serious damage, I'm simply saying that in this instance, the leadership is strategically flawed and for the most part absent, the financial situation is dire, there's a severe lack of competent FCs, and the member base are primarily players with no experience at combat. Their primary support comes from Marmite, who are highly risk averse to preserve their efficiency rating. All of that adds up to a situation that doesn't scream "Go spartans go!" at me.


More contradiction, I think you should stop posting now as your getting all mixed up.
I'm getting that you don't know what the word contradiction means, since I've not contradicted anything. If you dispute that, then feel free to explain where it is you feel I've contradicted myself, then I'll be able to let you know where you've misunderstood.

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#1202 - 2014-02-06 00:36:47 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Miko Jin wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Zeus Maximo wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's no secret that the lemmings will recruit anybody, in fact that is their selling point.
From a third party looking in you could also say the same thing, recruitment wise, for the CFC and RVB.
They would only recruit newbies into newbie programs. Most alliance don't just have an open door to anyone and everyone, and those that do wouldn't cite their raw numbers as a sign of strength.

I'm in no way saying that the CFC are superior and that no group of 300 people could cause serious damage, I'm simply saying that in this instance, the leadership is strategically flawed and for the most part absent, the financial situation is dire, there's a severe lack of competent FCs, and the member base are primarily players with no experience at combat. Their primary support comes from Marmite, who are highly risk averse to preserve their efficiency rating. All of that adds up to a situation that doesn't scream "Go spartans go!" at me.


More contradiction, I think you should stop posting now as your getting all mixed up.
I'm getting that you don't know what the word contradiction means, since I've not contradicted anything. If you dispute that, then feel free to explain where it is you feel I've contradicted myself, then I'll be able to let you know where you've misunderstood.


I believe I quoted your words in a previous reply, Maybe those rose tinted glasses you are wearing are stopping you from reading your own words.
General Lemming
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#1203 - 2014-02-06 00:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lemming
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Marmite / Lemmings can be more aptly described as highwaymen; content to wallow in their false sense of accomplishment against unarmed travellers, but posing no risk to travelling armies.
Then stop crying.... move on with your life. You keep crying about all that is bad the last few weeks, but seem to care more and more every day. We might get all the fun guys in Lemmings, but crybabies we kick instantly. Ugh

And forget about those 300, the week after that it will be 400, then 500, till we reach 2 thousand. And we arent Spartans, we are way more evil.... we are LEMMINGS !
Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#1204 - 2014-02-06 00:59:41 UTC
General Lemming wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Marmite / Lemmings can be more aptly described as highwaymen; content to wallow in their false sense of accomplishment against unarmed travellers, but posing no risk to travelling armies.
Then stop crying.... move on with your life. You keep crying about all that is bad the last few weeks, but seem to care more and more every day. We might get all the fun guys in Lemmings, but crybabies we kick instantly. Ugh

And forget about those 300, the week after that it will be 400, then 500, till we reach 2 thousand. And we arent Spartans, we are way more evil.... we are LEMMINGS !


wake me up when there's two thousand of you and you feel like having a pitched battle. In the meantime we'll keep killing marmite T3s
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1205 - 2014-02-06 02:08:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Miko Jin wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I'm getting that you don't know what the word contradiction means, since I've not contradicted anything. If you dispute that, then feel free to explain where it is you feel I've contradicted myself, then I'll be able to let you know where you've misunderstood.
I believe I quoted your words in a previous reply, Maybe those rose tinted glasses you are wearing are stopping you from reading your own words.
Nothing in what you quoted is a contradiction. Look up the meaning, then go take another look. Then when you are actually ready to formulate a proper response, go ahead. If instead you are just going to say "but waah, there is contradiction" like a little cryptic troll, then don't bother.

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#1206 - 2014-02-06 07:33:50 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
General Lemming wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Marmite / Lemmings can be more aptly described as highwaymen; content to wallow in their false sense of accomplishment against unarmed travellers, but posing no risk to travelling armies.
Then stop crying.... move on with your life. You keep crying about all that is bad the last few weeks, but seem to care more and more every day. We might get all the fun guys in Lemmings, but crybabies we kick instantly. Ugh

And forget about those 300, the week after that it will be 400, then 500, till we reach 2 thousand. And we arent Spartans, we are way more evil.... we are LEMMINGS !


wake me up when there's two thousand of you and you feel like having a pitched battle. In the meantime we'll keep killing marmite T3s


What's this nonsense I read? RVB actually fought? didn't dock up and wait for 200 guys to come and rescue you?
Amazing... Roll

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General Lemming
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#1207 - 2014-02-06 08:13:11 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
wake me up when there's two thousand of you and you feel like having a pitched battle. In the meantime we'll keep killing marmite T3s
You see CFC guys, this is a more positive way of responding. And hell yes we will YARR ! Twisted
Glandular Beaver
Doomheim
#1208 - 2014-02-06 09:26:01 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
General Lemming wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Marmite / Lemmings can be more aptly described as highwaymen; content to wallow in their false sense of accomplishment against unarmed travellers, but posing no risk to travelling armies.
Then stop crying.... move on with your life. You keep crying about all that is bad the last few weeks, but seem to care more and more every day. We might get all the fun guys in Lemmings, but crybabies we kick instantly. Ugh

And forget about those 300, the week after that it will be 400, then 500, till we reach 2 thousand. And we arent Spartans, we are way more evil.... we are LEMMINGS !


wake me up when there's two thousand of you and you feel like having a pitched battle. In the meantime we'll keep killing marmite T3s



After perusing your killboard, and the titanic solo battles you've had (an Ibis and two shuttles) since deciding that solo PvP wasn't for you (mid December), I feel it is my duty to point out to you that you're terrible, and should stop posting now.

This also goes for Sol Epoch, and anyone else who's terrible.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1209 - 2014-02-06 09:53:27 UTC
i love it when minutes-old NPC alts pull the killboard card, because clearly their mains are top 10 on eve-kill

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#1210 - 2014-02-06 09:55:02 UTC
lmao npc corp alts non-ironically smacktalking killboard stats

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Glandular Beaver
Doomheim
#1211 - 2014-02-06 10:01:01 UTC
Goons swooping to pick up their Chihuahua.

Almost touching.
General Lemming
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#1212 - 2014-02-06 11:00:59 UTC
Smack talking with kill stats is of course fun if you are ahead, but really shouldn't matter that much. We are in the building phase and we will probably get much more terrible losses. And that's ok. If we keep focusing to much on kill stats, we will not go all the way and that will block our goal of going everywhere in space.

So yehhh for the KB for now, but a WAY BIGGER YEHHHH for having fun, getting bigger and bigger, building the structures of the alliance and getting tears. Even if it kills us.

If we lose 100 ships but kill a Goon director, that would be kill stats wise very bad, but it would be mega fun and worth all losses Twisted

Up to member 300 this weekend.... 38 to go !
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#1213 - 2014-02-06 11:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol epoch
Glandular Beaver wrote:
Professor Clio wrote:
General Lemming wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Marmite / Lemmings can be more aptly described as highwaymen; content to wallow in their false sense of accomplishment against unarmed travellers, but posing no risk to travelling armies.
Then stop crying.... move on with your life. You keep crying about all that is bad the last few weeks, but seem to care more and more every day. We might get all the fun guys in Lemmings, but crybabies we kick instantly. Ugh

And forget about those 300, the week after that it will be 400, then 500, till we reach 2 thousand. And we arent Spartans, we are way more evil.... we are LEMMINGS !


wake me up when there's two thousand of you and you feel like having a pitched battle. In the meantime we'll keep killing marmite T3s



After perusing your killboard, and the titanic solo battles you've had (an Ibis and two shuttles) since deciding that solo PvP wasn't for you (mid December), I feel it is my duty to point out to you that you're terrible, and should stop posting now.

This also goes for Sol Epoch, and anyone else who's terrible.


Confirmed I am terrible, but at least I can say this on a real character. now post on your main or jog on.
Powers Sa
#1214 - 2014-02-06 13:08:18 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Quote:
Finally we can explain how the Goon empire works, because the "lazy Goons being carried by pets" made little sense. Goons aren't that lazy, their stratop activity isn't that bad, so they are far from being useless in a war. Of course it doesn't explain why the Goon leadership accepts their fleetbearing while the same is punished for their pets. I mean if fleetbearing is good, then it's good, why ban it for pets?

Not because of what they do in fleets. A lazy SMA player rarely fleeting up is just as good as a lazy Goon. Then why purge the former? Because of what they do outside of fleets. The pets, due to their enforced PvP culture are spending their free time getting into fights. The Goons are spending their free time making ISK. Nullsec ISK making activities can be taxed. Goonwaffe goes with 15% tax. This means that if a Goon farms 640M to get a PLEX, he gives 112M to Goonwaffe. By the time he farms 3B for a dreadnought, he gave 530M to Goonwaffe. Remember that even on the peak of the "unbeatable" Tech empire, the moon income was mere 50M/pilot/month. Compare that with the ratting taxes! Of course the pet members have ISK needs too, but they either do it on highsec alts (because nullsec industrial alt would harm the performance/member of the corp) or they convert PLEX-es. Either way, their corp gets nothing.

So by allowing Goons to carebear on their main, but forcing pets to get ISK outside of corp, The Mittani and his fellow leaders create a situation where Goonwaffe is swimming in taxed ISK, while pet corps and alliances have only one income source: what The Mittani gives them from the moon and renter income. This way the corp and alliance leaders depend on the The Mittani financially. Remember how many times he told that "Goons have the smallest amount of moons compared to their size among CFC"! Not a coincidence. The obscene hate towards "carebears", the Hulkageddon and Burn Jita isn't by mistake either. It's to spread the doctrine that carebearing is bad. Of course people still have ISK needs, but they hide it in alts, making sure that the coffers of their corp remains empty. So the truth is that Goons aren't dead weight at all on CFC. They are the economic powerhouse, and they monopolize this power source by forcing all the pets to be PvP-ers. The genius part is that it doesn't need too much force, as being "pure PvP-er" is a prestigious position, while in reality it means defeat or slavery.

Why no one defeated the Goons? Because their enemies are like their pets: impoverished PvP-ers who waste their time on roams, fishing fleets and such nonsense. They simply can't keep up with CFC financially, which could be seen by the change of supercapital power. Who will defeat the Goons? An alliance that openly does what the Goons do secretly. That throws away that "we are PvP-ers" attitude, embraces carebearing as a way of contribution and places the fleetbear as the ideal member: the one who goes on stratop fleets, but avoid pointless PvP and spends the rest of the time ISK making, both to get himself into capitals and to support his corp/alliance.

Please note that such alliance is necessarily the enemy of Goons, as Goons would demand them giving up their carebear side before accepting them as pets (allies). If you are financially independent, Goons will go after you. They ignored TEST until Fountain became valuable. They laugh on PvP-ers and smash them, but they are scared of carebears. For a good reason.

If alex jones lost his marbles and started playing eve he would be this guy.

lmao goober. too bad mental gymnastics are in the summer olympics or i'd get this guy a ticket to Russia.

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#1215 - 2014-02-06 13:50:18 UTC
The best part of that blog post is
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Finally we can explain how the Goon empire works, because the "lazy Goons being carried by pets" made little sense. Goons aren't that lazy, their stratop activity isn't that bad, so they are far from being useless in a war

Because that's him literally stating that all his other posts on the topic (that he's ardently stood by) are all wrong for the very reasons we said they were.

What he's done, is decided "I know, calling their allies pets is new and unique this is bound to cause damage" and is changing facts, conclusions and narrative so that he can keep saying the same thing.

It still makes me laugh everytime I remember he's paying 2-3bil a week to post grrrGOONS

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1216 - 2014-02-06 21:09:54 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

It still makes me laugh everytime I remember he's paying 2-3bil a week to post grrrGOONS

If it was just 2-3bil a week, I'd laugh too. It's already closer to 4. But one must not place himself ahead of the greatest cause men ever fought in New Eden: hurting Goons.

Goonies, please send a Purple Pet Heart medal to CelaQulundeO, he earned it.

Also, tomorrow more statistics. Enjoy!

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Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1217 - 2014-02-06 21:13:55 UTC
Gevlon:

Why are you in an NPC corp? Shouldnt you be joining the fight?

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1218 - 2014-02-06 21:51:24 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

It still makes me laugh everytime I remember he's paying 2-3bil a week to post grrrGOONS

If it was just 2-3bil a week, I'd laugh too. It's already closer to 4. But one must not place himself ahead of the greatest cause men ever fought in New Eden: hurting Goons.

Goonies, please send a Purple Pet Heart medal to CelaQulundeO, he earned it.

Also, tomorrow more statistics. Enjoy!

please don't bump this thread without new paragraph long screeds of crazy tia

not that you shouldn't bump the thread, just you need to keep the screeds of crazy coming

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HELVEGEN
#1219 - 2014-02-06 23:29:31 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

It still makes me laugh everytime I remember he's paying 2-3bil a week to post grrrGOONS

If it was just 2-3bil a week, I'd laugh too. It's already closer to 4. But one must not place himself ahead of the greatest cause men ever fought in New Eden: hurting Goons.

Goonies, please send a Purple Pet Heart medal to CelaQulundeO, he earned it.

Also, tomorrow more statistics. Enjoy!

please don't bump this thread without new paragraph long screeds of crazy tia

not that you shouldn't bump the thread, just you need to keep the screeds of crazy coming


Gotta love it when Goons and their pets start to panic at being blindsided.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#1220 - 2014-02-07 01:34:39 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

It still makes me laugh everytime I remember he's paying 2-3bil a week to post grrrGOONS

If it was just 2-3bil a week, I'd laugh too. It's already closer to 4. But one must not place himself ahead of the greatest cause men ever fought in New Eden: hurting Goons.

Goonies, please send a Purple Pet Heart medal to CelaQulundeO, he earned it.

Also, tomorrow more statistics. Enjoy!


"no im wasting even more money than you think I am to achieve absolutely nothing"

Thanks for the clarification.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,