Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why do you want to fight with someone in high sec? What is in it for YOU? Are all the carebears are correct that only griefers will wardec someone? What if we could force the eternal carebears to grow a pair? EVE is meant to be a harsh unforgiving universe, it fails at this currently, but what if we could make a simple change that could have this desired effect?

Carebears fight? Never going to happen, they will quit rather than fight, nothing will make carebears choose to attack others. I sense you thinking these thoughts but I think you are wrong and here is why.

There is one simple change that will create more conflict in EVE. It is a change of such stunning simplicity that you too will be amazed. It fits right into what the ethos of EVE is. This change is to introduce actual resource scarcity into high sec and will introduce cut throat competition to control scarce resources.

Reduce the amount of daily resources in high sec to a less than infinite amount. Make agents only give X missions, make Incursions only spawn X sites, make asteroid belts only spawn X minerals per day, less than infinite ice, make everything farmable X per day. Ensure that the supply is less than the demand. To make things fair we would need downtime to not be not the major spawn point but have farmable events happen at random throughout the eve day. Only CCP can know what the X number is.

This change would give people a reason to fight their little highsec turf wars. All the carebear whines that wars have no purpose will now be gone as the carebears will be the ones wanting to dec people. Some people might even leave for low or null where the resources are more plentiful.

There are some problems with this (of course) but some problems are easy to identify.

People who are permanently in NPC corps to avoid wardecs (one of my pet hates) would need something to be done to stop them hoovering up these scarce resources with no one having the ability to limit them.

One of the other problems, that of casual players, could be solved by having everyone get some immunity from this resource scarcity before they have to join the conflict over scarce resources. Give everyone about an hour of exempt time per day. A few missions or some rocks spawning to keep the casual EVE player getting their EVE fix.

Game mechanics and how this works would need fleshing out. Since wardecs are being worked on anyway, now is as good a time as any to introduce changes to wardecs to support other ideas, and there have been a lot of ideas posted on wardecs over the years beyond more costs and generic carebear whines so CCP lets see some of these implemented.

Yeah....no it wouldn't. I could care less what you percieve I need to do and can cancel my subscription faster then Mary Poppin's catch phrase word. I have zero interest in what you think is best for EVE but CCP in leaving highsec roughly as it is for so long though it was better for you to just leave a target rich environment (cause you can still fire without asking, basic EVE 101), sadly you don't relize this and want to screw with it

Of course, if CCP was more interested in getting people to be more aggressive they could get rid of attributes, +attribute implants, and SP loss. The one thing that holds me back, because EVE being such a patient game to get anywhere with a skill advancement system measured in weeks/months/years with no one even remotely close to the skill cap should have such a painful penalty: Loss of SP cause you forgot to upgrade a clone, loss of training time if implants are destroyed, and basicly loss of the time invested that I paid for with real world money to either take longer to train or retrain a skill (outside a T3 which is basicly a shortcut I just don't get it). Its my choice to wait and the consequences bore the **** out of me as I train so I don't get involved, but CCP is at fault before my by implementing such a system that pisses you off cause I have zero interest in the rest of EVE.


And they pay a higher price of 11% tax from mission rewards. The laughable thing idiots like you think you idea is the "bestest in the world will solve everything!!!" is the fact is its their choice to do as they wish and that it costs them more then 2 million wardec fee for that protection: Whats 11% of 1 Billion? 110m isk pissed away into nothing for less hassle of dealing with idiots that think a mission fit ship is actually equal to a PVP ship in a fight (still gankable though), less dealing with idiots that think they can be a "rouge rogue" and steal my **** I paid for the time with my real world cash to accumulate in game (can't access anything of another player in NPC corp like PC corp). For 11% of my income which is X amount subtracting 11% (far higher then that lol-2mill wardec cost) I get a better piece of mind, less hassle of dudes that like slapping people around in game but they are not ballsy enough to do it in real life, and less chance of some dude taking something from me (lol insurance payout fix in Crucible, about time. I don't fly expensive fits so they have to just chalk it up to being bored and loosing isk in the process for their laughs if they are so inclined).

I like the idea. Supported.

I think it would make sense that rather than some sort of nerf to mining lasers as such, there is some enhanced tax implication for refining in that system using NPC corp stations. So as a NPC corp member with a valid license from the Corp within that system etc, I get some sort of refining boost or tax break for using that corp's system station. Non members pay some sort of extra tax for the privilege.

Maybe taking this a step further, in order to defend the Corp interests, the NPC corp could issue Letters of Marque - essentially privateer contracts to attack rival corporations. These would be expensive ISK sinks (theory is that the ISK pays for Concord turning a blind eye to the private war) and would be for a limited run only - time or perhaps kill value? So letter of marque is valid for example 2 weeks or total kill value of 1bn isk lost to the enemy corp, whichever is reached first.

I do agree, my example of changing mining yields makes little sense, but it did illustrate the idea, which was the point. Limit by who and not by some arbitrary number in a database. Your idea of diverting some % of taxes, refining etc, are good too.

As for the argument to lore ... that's just story line fluff that can be changed, it is infinitely malleable, it's fiction.

The bs is overwhelming on this one...

Check CCP stats (a bit out of date, but I doubt it changed much), 92% highsec. Btw, 90% of sov null population are bots, 100% for Russian sov null. You should unsub and I should haz ur stuffz

EVE used to have things happening in it. Most of EVE is stale now but it seems I am in a minority (of one?) in thinking this.

I disagree, respectively. As I read the OPs post, one thing popped into my head, the Theory of the Big Freeze as it relates to the universe. Make everything finite, and some people may leave. The serious ones will stay, of course, and wage war for possession of the material goods of Hisec. War takes materials, and materials will be constantly destroyed. I'd bet that Hisec populations would pulse, but eventually they would slowly go down as people grew fed up with what its become. What would be left would most likely conglomerate into a few super alliances in a constant state of conflict, which would further drive down the ability to extract the necessary materials needed to support such a galaxy spanning war.

As war continues to rage, you'd probably see both a migration from losec to join in the festivites, as well as people migrating into losec and possibly nulsec in order to avoid such a conflict. When everything in Hisec was exhausted (provided that CCP didn't stop such a venture in order to staunch the blood loss from lost subs), you'd see it continue to ripple outwards into losec and nul. Eventually you'd end up with an entire galaxy fighting for finite materials, because if you did such a thing in Hisec, you'd have to do it in losec and nulsec as well.

After all the dust settled, the population of the entire New Eden galaxy would probably be 10-25% of what it is now, and while there would be plenty of materials to extract from various sources, the manpower would be a fraction of what is needed. Entire systems would be devoid of inhabitants, and the ones that did have people in them would probably see continued conflict out of sheer stubbornness. People would get bored, and more would leave, a constant trickle that would deplete the galaxy further of inhabitants. Sure, there may be some hold out corps under umbrella alliances, but to actually get anywhere, they'd have to essentially start carebearing it up just to rebuild themselves. Essentially, they'd have to become what they hate the most just to keep going in a galaxy that was once full of carebears.

Of course, I could just be visualizing the worst case scenario in the simplest terms. It could actually be much worse than that. Might be interesting to watch.