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My first 10 days in null sec

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-05 19:18:23 UTC
So I finally moved after a lot of suggestions to null sec to see what it was like and how you could make so much ISK there

I join up the night before B-R5RB happens and within days the entire area is fleeing to the north to escape CFC and RUS so my run of bad luck in corps might be turning into a curse.

I've discovered my 600m ISK tengu can't do the local anomalies and so I'm stuck with 13m ISK an hour belt ratting. And most of the exploration sites are beyond my skills, both in terms of the combat ones and the data/relic ones.

been forced to move away from the caldari ship branch towards armour tanked gallente and amarr ships, still with about 52 days before I can fly the alliance main doctrine.

Lost above 600m ISK tengu to a gate camp and my 50m ISK pod to a bubble camp and more generally been annoyed by people leaving bubbles at gates for no reason.

deal with a crappy local market and having to move stuff around via courier jump freighter from high sec


But in general I feel pretty much surplus to events and rather lost.

Is this what's most people's first 10 days in null sec are like or have I just had very bad luck?
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2014-02-05 19:23:36 UTC
I believe it's usually similar, but with less expensive ships. There's a lot of learning via mistakes in nullsec, which is why it's good to stick to inexpensive stuff and to always always always ask about anything that went wrong, so you never experience loss without gaining something from it.

Good luck!

ISD LackOfFaith

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

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I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3 - 2014-02-05 19:24:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Paul Otichoda wrote:
So I finally moved after a lot of suggestions to null sec to see what it was like and how you could make so much ISK there

I join up the night before B-R5RB happens and within days the entire area is fleeing to the north to escape CFC and RUS so my run of bad luck in corps might be turning into a curse.

I've discovered my 600m ISK tengu can't do the local anomalies and so I'm stuck with 13m ISK an hour belt ratting. And most of the exploration sites are beyond my skills, both in terms of the combat ones and the data/relic ones.

been forced to move away from the caldari ship branch towards armour tanked gallente and amarr ships, still with about 52 days before I can fly the alliance main doctrine.

Lost above 600m ISK tengu to a gate camp and my 50m ISK pod to a bubble camp and more generally been annoyed by people leaving bubbles at gates for no reason.

deal with a crappy local market and having to move stuff around via courier jump freighter from high sec


But in general I feel pretty much surplus to events and rather lost.

Is this what's most people's first 10 days in null sec are like or have I just had very bad luck?


Luck has zero to do with anything.

As was the case with you and Incursions (i remember your posting in the Missions and Complexes forum) it's a case of you not being prepared, not learning enough of the game before jumping into something. You are too impatient to succeed in EVE. And you seem to have a tendency to blame others for your mistakes (example "people leaving bubbles at gates for no reason").

There is no anomaly a Tengu can't solo (even in blood/sansha space where you have to use unbonused missiles). Even in Drone space a Tengu will work (even if it's nto the best). There is no way a tengu should have died in a gate camp (did you fit right, have cloak and nullified subs etc?). Is there a single other human being in your corp?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4 - 2014-02-05 19:26:57 UTC
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Lost above 600m ISK tengu to a gate camp and my 50m ISK pod to a bubble camp and more generally been annoyed by people leaving bubbles at gates for no reason.


That would be the reason why people leave bubbles at gates.

Personally, I have never really cared about pod losses, I take it as a free trip home to save me some time.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#5 - 2014-02-05 19:28:11 UTC
Paul,

In all seriousness, ask your corp mates for assistance instead of coming to the forums to tell everyone about your most recent failures (remember the T2 weapons thread?).

If your corp/alliance mates aren't willing and able to assist you with speeding up your learning curve then find a different corp/alliance. Though that may be more difficult for you than for most newish players due to your forum history (which most decent recruiters will read).

Good luck sir, I'm surprised you have lasted this long.
- Than

JUSTK is recruiting
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#6 - 2014-02-05 19:32:08 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
(remember the T2 weapons thread?).


I had to go back and read that thread again. Priceless.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-02-05 19:36:44 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
I believe it's usually similar, but with less expensive ships. There's a lot of learning via mistakes in nullsec, which is why it's good to stick to inexpensive stuff and to always always always ask about anything that went wrong, so you never experience loss without gaining something from it.

Good luck!


the reason I went with the strategic cruiser was for the cover cloak and nullifier subsystems, not that it stopped an instant locker.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2014-02-05 19:44:48 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
(remember the T2 weapons thread?).


I had to go back and read that thread again. Priceless.


Link?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#9 - 2014-02-05 19:51:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Thanatos Marathon
Sooo many threads with oh so much Paul (I'm still not convinced he isn't a designed troll char).

Rockets are worthless: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=260012
Paul gives up: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3379022#post3379022
Blasters are broken: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=266227 <- "And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue."
etc.

JUSTK is recruiting
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#10 - 2014-02-05 19:53:11 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Sooo many threads with oh so much Paul (I'm still not convinced he isn't a designed troll char).

Rockets are worthless: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=260012


Oh, I remember that one now! That was truly hilarious.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#11 - 2014-02-05 19:54:58 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
So I finally moved after a lot of suggestions to null sec to see what it was like and how you could make so much ISK there

I join up the night before B-R5RB happens and within days the entire area is fleeing to the north to escape CFC and RUS so my run of bad luck in corps might be turning into a curse.

I've discovered my 600m ISK tengu can't do the local anomalies and so I'm stuck with 13m ISK an hour belt ratting. And most of the exploration sites are beyond my skills, both in terms of the combat ones and the data/relic ones.

been forced to move away from the caldari ship branch towards armour tanked gallente and amarr ships, still with about 52 days before I can fly the alliance main doctrine.

Lost above 600m ISK tengu to a gate camp and my 50m ISK pod to a bubble camp and more generally been annoyed by people leaving bubbles at gates for no reason.

deal with a crappy local market and having to move stuff around via courier jump freighter from high sec


But in general I feel pretty much surplus to events and rather lost.

Is this what's most people's first 10 days in null sec are like or have I just had very bad luck?




How does it feel to be owned?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#12 - 2014-02-05 19:55:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Thanatos Marathon
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#13 - 2014-02-05 20:06:58 UTC
This thread has it all:

Grrrr goons....check.

Tengu whine....check.

alliance doctrine training whine....check.

nullsec markets whine.....check.

cant make money whine.....check.

gate camp whine....check.

Lost a t3...check.

bubbles whine...check.

links to previous golden threads by OP....check.

you even suckered an ISD into it..not to lock it...but make a comment! Not bad for an aspiring forum troll personality.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#14 - 2014-02-05 20:10:25 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
there are sooo many.

Kane likes Paul too: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=266942


I remember that one. That was great.

I think Paul will be fine. He just has to keep at it.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-02-05 20:12:38 UTC
I'll bite just because I want to be able to find this thread easily in future. Can't imagine where it is going to go Big smile

Frankly, Paul, that's how most people's first experiences go. Yours was probably more expensive as you immediately went Tengu.

What I found was that the more time you invest into your environment, the safer you will be and the more it will give back to you.

Set up perches, set up safes, learn the busy systems, talk in chat and be honest that it's new to you. Provide intel if you have channels for it and make that your go-to chat window. Fly about in interceptors for a bit and learn the locals. Basically get to know your new area. Chat up the logistics folks around you - in real life you always chat up the canteen staff and the IT staff (you need them on your side Big smile )

Most of all - keep your chin up and keep trying. It takes some learning but it's worth it in the long run.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#16 - 2014-02-05 20:15:42 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
This thread has it all:

Grrrr goons....check.

Tengu whine....check.

alliance doctrine training whine....check.

nullsec markets whine.....check.

cant make money whine.....check.

gate camp whine....check.

Lost a t3...check.

bubbles whine...check.

links to previous golden threads by OP....check.

you even suckered an ISD into it..not to lock it...but make a comment! Not bad for an aspiring forum troll personality.


OP should trade names with you.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2014-02-05 20:17:55 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
So I finally moved after a lot of suggestions to null sec to see what it was like and how you could make so much ISK there

I join up the night before B-R5RB happens and within days the entire area is fleeing to the north to escape CFC and RUS so my run of bad luck in corps might be turning into a curse.

I've discovered my 600m ISK tengu can't do the local anomalies and so I'm stuck with 13m ISK an hour belt ratting. And most of the exploration sites are beyond my skills, both in terms of the combat ones and the data/relic ones.

been forced to move away from the caldari ship branch towards armour tanked gallente and amarr ships, still with about 52 days before I can fly the alliance main doctrine.

Lost above 600m ISK tengu to a gate camp and my 50m ISK pod to a bubble camp and more generally been annoyed by people leaving bubbles at gates for no reason.

deal with a crappy local market and having to move stuff around via courier jump freighter from high sec


But in general I feel pretty much surplus to events and rather lost.

Is this what's most people's first 10 days in null sec are like or have I just had very bad luck?


Welcome to the real EVE!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#18 - 2014-02-05 20:27:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
So I finally moved after a lot of suggestions to null sec to see what it was like and how you could make so much ISK there

I join up the night before B-R5RB happens and within days the entire area is fleeing to the north to escape CFC and RUS so my run of bad luck in corps might be turning into a curse.

I've discovered my 600m ISK tengu can't do the local anomalies and so I'm stuck with 13m ISK an hour belt ratting. And most of the exploration sites are beyond my skills, both in terms of the combat ones and the data/relic ones.

been forced to move away from the caldari ship branch towards armour tanked gallente and amarr ships, still with about 52 days before I can fly the alliance main doctrine.

Lost above 600m ISK tengu to a gate camp and my 50m ISK pod to a bubble camp and more generally been annoyed by people leaving bubbles at gates for no reason.

deal with a crappy local market and having to move stuff around via courier jump freighter from high sec


But in general I feel pretty much surplus to events and rather lost.

Is this what's most people's first 10 days in null sec are like or have I just had very bad luck?


Luck has zero to do with anything.

As was the case with you and Incursions (i remember your posting in the Missions and Complexes forum) it's a case of you not being prepared, not learning enough of the game before jumping into something. You are too impatient to succeed in EVE. And you seem to have a tendency to blame others for your mistakes (example "people leaving bubbles at gates for no reason").

There is no anomaly a Tengu can't solo (even in blood/sansha space where you have to use unbonused missiles). Even in Drone space a Tengu will work (even if it's nto the best). There is no way a tengu should have died in a gate camp (did you fit right, have cloak and nullified subs etc?). Is there a single other human being in your corp?



Wait, don't all the Null Sec people say tell new players that High Sec is a waste of time and that they need move to Null on day one?
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#19 - 2014-02-05 20:28:11 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
I believe it's usually similar, but with less expensive ships. There's a lot of learning via mistakes in nullsec, which is why it's good to stick to inexpensive stuff and to always always always ask about anything that went wrong, so you never experience loss without gaining something from it.

Good luck!


the reason I went with the strategic cruiser was for the cover cloak and nullifier subsystems, not that it stopped an instant locker.


You have about 1 second to hit warp > cloak. Use hotkeys versus mouse clicks.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#20 - 2014-02-05 20:28:19 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:



Wait, don't all the Null Sec people say tell new players that High Sec is a waste of time and that they need move to Null on day one?


goons are that way --------->

Big smile
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