EVE General Discussion

I was there raging against incarna, but 2 - 3 years ago I couldn't wait for walking in stations.

What changed, well first things first they had spend x amount of time on it and when it was brought out you could only get into captains quarters. But that wasn't even the main sticking point for me. I think so many things in the current game need to be improved / fixed that going along and releasing another massive feature was in my mind a mistake.

I know I'm just re hashing what people have said so far, but what I want to add is that if CCP keeps to making miner expansions leaning more towards improving the day to day operations in eve making things more simple for new players while also keeping depth for current players and making the life easier, I can pretty much guarantee that it would bring in more players than incarna.

if they trundle along with incarna while improving the day to day operations at a faster rate in a year or maybe 2 I would love to see incarna fulling implemented, and I cant see there being a great number of people that would be against adding a new depth to the game.

But if you are against incarna hole heatedly; think that more players means more money for CCP and incarna can bring eve to a larger market which means they have more money to spend on what you want to happen in eve.

although they may have already done the lion's share of the work on incarna and it may just be best to bring it out, but at least in hindsight it would have been better if they had produced it more slowly and released it when it was fully ready.

But thumbs up for the new expansion, its a step in the right direction and I hope you keep it up.

yeah for one getting ride of hanger view but that's been fixed so happy days.

Incarna was nothing more than a platform for nex. They needed money so they released a half finished, pointless feature and hoped nobody would notice how bad it is.

It was almost the worst execution possible and one of the key concepts, customizing your character, they ruined. In the days and weeks leading up to it's deployment the forums were abuzz with talk of monocles and canes (at least MD) eye patches in C&P opporating on the assumption that these would be so cheap and available (in varying degrees) that they could plausibly be destructible. Then... CCP made them cost hundreds of million to over a billion ISK? Then they gave us nothing to do in stations and no way to see each other? The end result was being forced into a tiny cell (if your computer worked at this point) staring at like 5 extrodinarily over priced pieces of internet clothes... Everyone who had any involvement in any of that is ******* ********, no one can get out of it, that is the most ******** implementations I've ever seen and a complete bastardization of the WiS concept.

there was a good reason for only allowing you to have a room to your own and making it mandatory so they could collect information on how it worked on a varying computers, on a regular basis.

yeah the monocles and stuff are **** no doubt

but I was actually saying the concept of incarna isn't bad, and something we would want to see in the future.

I don't dislike incarna, I actually welcome it, but not at the expense of core gameplay. Once core gameplay is taken care of and in good shape they can waste as much time&effort as they want on other stuff.

As far as I know the Incarna engine is defunct and was at launch and any WiS we'll be getting in the future will be a completely new project. Please, tell me if I'm wrong. But I believe that's part of the reason WoD is also on semi-permanent hold as they were both based on the same engine. The problem being rendering multiple characters in an environment. Which, if true just sort of makes lashing out on the player base and finally having to fire a large segment of their workforce look a bit silly.

But if I'm not understanding correctly, tell me.

It's certainly difficult to view it as anything else in light of CCP funding 3 projects on the back of EVE and with a large loan repayment due as well. Sadly CCP payed the price for their lack understanding of what the playerbase would tolerate with an 8% sub drop and also having to layoff 20% of their employees as a subsequence.

The concept of Incarna was fine when it was Ambulation, but it seems marketing and microtransaction 'experts' thought the EVE playerbase were akin to WoW or f2P game players where they would accept any garbage thrown at them. Removing meaningful content that we saw in Ambulation just to implement the NeX was a poor decision by CCP and did nothing to endear Incarna to the players.

I for one was actually looking forward to WiS after seeing the Ambulation videos, etc, but if it just means further saturation of that NeX **** instead of meaningful gameplay then I have no interest in it at all.

Really the NeX store should receive the headshot it deserves and put those items back in the players hands via industry and through LP rewards where they should be. Give players more diversity, not less.

CCP themselves also fostered alot of angst against Incarna (WiS) by virtually ignoring FiS, which is pretty stupid considering that is the core of the game.

This. It was the gigantic amount of development resources wasted on producing zero gameplay that made me angry. If they'd used those resources to produce an environment where I could actually do stuff, then I'd be delighted with Incarna.

I do.

It's a epic spaceschip simulation game, not another ******* fairy-hopping-through-the-grass siumulation game.
If you want to dress up, go to any of the other MMO's out there.


But, $ being king, there's no turning back. 95% of the market wants to play dress-up-doll, then that's what the market gets.