Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I've read the threads about bumping and CCPs stance on it but those threads were in the context of bumping miners so their lasers would turn off. A miner still has the opportunity to leave. A freighter does not. Consider these issues:

- A ship can bump your freighter and hold your freighter indefinitely. For hours if they want to and you can not align and warp out. You can not retaliate by webbing or scramming in any way without going criminal in high sec.

- War can not be declared on these high sec freighter bumpers because they stay in NPC corps.

- Since they can hold you indefinitely their gank squad doesn't even need to be online when they start bumping you. If they would show up on grid with a gank squad and a tackler and destroy you all before CONCORD shows up that would be fine but that is not what they do. They exploit the bumping mechanic. The gank squad gets CONCORDed but the bumper just goes back to gate and waits for the next victim.

- A Micro Jump Drive Deploy-able will not work either because it has a 60 seconds activation time, more than enough time for them to bump you out of range of the device.

- People say, "Don't carry too much value" but that still doesn't stop the mechanic from happening. I've seen empty freighters be destroyed in High Sec due to this exploit. The players either had bad intel or just wanted to grief the freighter pilot.

- A freighter has no slots available to fit so there is nothing that can be done to increase the effectiveness of the freighter.

- Once a freighter is bumped one time the webbing trick no longer works.

Now considering all of the points above doesn't this seem like an exploit?

My suggestion is that if a player bumps another player too many times that the bumper receives a suspect flag. This would allow other players to attack, scram, or web the bumper to help their friend in the freighter get away. This bumping flag could be turned off within 2000m of a station, plus when a player undocks the current mechanics make the ship invulnerable for a short time and no bumping occurs.

Another idea I have is to allow freighters and Orcas to equip a Micro Jump Drive.

mass wise frigates and smaller ships should just "fly on the windowscreen" on capital size ships and since freighters are capital size they should be bump immune to anything but other caps and perhaps battleships which would hold the nessesary mass x speed to make some form of differance

How can this be a solution to one questionable tactics when it was removed or made impossible in other instances (namely logging of in PVP, which was removed by introducing the timer)? While bumping is not a PVP interaction, because it does not cause timers or involves weapon fire, suggesting a tactics that was ruled out for PVP is hilarious.

This is not an option in high sec. If you attack the bumper you will be CONCORDed.

Because if your were doing that you'd be in low sec or null sec where I or other players can attack your ship. In high sec that is impossible because you will go criminal and be CONCORDed while the bumper is left alone.

Another reason that you can not log off is that they have some noob frig aggro-ing you once so that you get a loggoff timer.

The other big problem with the suicide ganging of freighters imo is the introduction of t3 BCs, 6-7 talos's costing very few ISK can gang a freighter, lowering the suicide freighter gang threshold by very much than what it used to be. CCP did/does nothing to balance that. (maybe they like the ISK sink) :-/

Use safe log off... and fix safe log off so it is not hurt/canceled by another ship bumping you!

You can not use safe log off when there is another ship close to you or while you are locked.

This sounds like the best idea to combat this. And with how slow freighters move, if you cant get 6 or more guys at the next jump or 2 in time to kill him then you shouldn't be trying to gank one.

You cannot counter-bump a destroyer.
Webbing doesn't help if you are bumped.
People gank for tears, not for necessarily for profits.
You sacrifice several cruisers, who cannot insta-kill a destroyer with sufficient transveral, to kill off several bumpers.
I have no counter to E because I don't understand what you are talking about.
You normally cannot recover anything because either the ganker destroy the wreck or loot it.
Trying is no counter to this.
As a freighter, you always are a (potential) cow that is led to the slaughter house.