Ships & Modules

I don't see the problem tbh, their dps is fine, EHP is fine and speed is also fine. The problem isn't so much BC, it's cruisers being slightly too fast. 1800-2100m/s is just too much for normal cruisers, lowering that by some 200m/s would make much more sense and would actually tackle the issue, if any.

Well i may be wrong but i agree with this statement.
A plated cruiser should achieve comparable speed to fast shield BC - the cyclone is the fastest of CBC.
Stabber put aside, shield cruisers have become very fast indeed. Some tweaks are welcome.

But another statement is even more true - a bunch od BS being as fast or even faster than CBC.
I'm not talking abou the machariel since it's a pirate faction BS...
But a dual plated Megathron is faster than a single plated Harbinger and does almost twice the DPS and it has good tracking.
Shield tempest has the speed of dual rep Myrmidion.


Speaking of the speed, it's true that you can't cheat on EFT numbers.
But speed , agility are more than meets the eye.
Yesterday i was on SISI and a pilot asked me for a 1 v 1 challenge with his Myrmidion.

So i took a Cap Inj X-L SB cyclone and won hands down twice in a row without activating my shield booster even once.
I have no idea what were his skills, still he had tech II drones. I perma ran my MWD to stay at 17-16km and his flight of Valkyries II were't doing that much dps, i suppose i was outruning his medium drones.
He overheated his MWD just to match mine and could not get close ... while i had the option to get away at will if needed.

I'm not a PVP king, i learn and try to stay alive when i travel in low sec...


And speaking of low sec again, since that was the theme of the blog i linked in my 1st post, i ran in a gate camp 2 days ago i my Explo Probe. The gang was a Myrmidion, Harbinger, Phobos and a Vigilant.
I can only guess that the BC role was to tank sentry guns and maybe neut the target while HAC bring dps and tackle.
I must admit i was surprised to see 2 BC on a gate camp, haven't seen them for a while.

Chessur said that using CBC as a link ship is worthless and it's better to go T3 since you can cloak and probe.

So let's say CCP removes the ability to fit Links...then what kind of Bonus could they receive instead without making em completely overpowered???

Forcing links to go on grid would be the worst thing that CCP could do. That would be a huge boost for blob warfare, and make solo / small gang really difficult. Links should be out right removed, instead of that horrible option.

aa no.. as a prime small scale warfare due. I support STRONGLY boost moved into grid. Want to use that advantage? RISK it!

The Hyperion as well as many other BS are faster than at least half of the BCs. BCs are only really good for killing brawling cruisers because the only thing they beat crusiers in is eft dps and ehp numbers. They are essentially dessies just one step up. All they are good for is doing decent damage to the class right below them if they can c

Actually he is stating fact. Which you would be able to recognize if you PvP'd at all, or for that matter had any practical experience when it comes to PvP. BC's are in a really bad place right now, gods correctly identifys why.

USeful? They do not excel at anything. They are nto mobile enough to keep up with cruisers anymore therefore horrible in mobility warfare. And if you decide to forego mobility.. battleships outclass them completely.

The only useful BC are the attack ones when on small scale warfare.

Large number of rail brutixes can still be powerful. but blob warfare does nto matter to me

No, it's actually the point.

For years we're used to "get to BC because they're versatile as hell and can deal with anything" which suffocates ship choices because cruisers got assraped by them while they could still take on BS. In the current climate they're not the obvious choice and THAT means that you actually have to make a choice, which is good. That doesn't mean BC's are bad, they're just not the obvious all-round choice we were so used to any more. They still have a role and a use, just not as pronounced as before. This is a good thing because there were way too many Canes/Drakes out there making life impossible for other ships.

And THEN you get the compounding effect of shield tanking armor ships with lots of free lows.


It's also funny as how you state that Domis are fcking awesome and other BS don't exist anymore. You're mistaking ship issues with current meta weapon system issues. Domis aren't OP because they're domis, they're OP because blobs love sentry assignment.

When certain ships bonuses are focused on exploiting these weapon system issues that scalates in the ships themselves being overpowered at end. The reason is irrelevant.


A ship that is the all around okish but not excel at anything are always failures in a competitive environmnet as eve. Check tempest (normal not fleet issue). Since the nerf to non bonused ewar, and NOS an always second grade battleships, devoid of a role. That need to ue its 2 bonsues to have less damage than any other battleship, bar the scorpion, with less tank than their peers. A bit more mobility.. but still less than typhoon, negatign the possibility of it being choosen on that role Relagated to support nos ship, but compeltely outclassed by domis and gedoons on that role as well.


Jack of all trades.. are just masters of being useless.

Since the rebalance one of the T1 ships I least see around is the hurricane, also relegated to the role of smaller, as useless tempest, tied witht he tempest itself.


Ships need strong flavor and focus to be interesting and useful in eve. That hits heavily these ships because they have their 2 bonuses focused on a single thing (damage) and still they have less damage than their peers. That make them not have a clear flavor and role, resulting in obsolecence unless their base power level is too high (as the hurricane was before the nerf) when they compensate the lack of specialization with sheer power.

Or an example of what battlecruisers could be.