EVE General Discussion

That's right folks, Stoicfaux did not use the word "edge". He used the phrase "cherry-pick" and pointed out that you have to use your faction standings as a buffer to allow you to simply decline all the missions that you can't blitz for over 100M ISK/hr effective income.

And this strategy fails if too may other people start following it because the ISK/LP drops.

And this strategy absolutely ignores the time cost of converting LP to ISK.

In null sec you get 60M ISK/hr in a heavy drone Ishtar, that ISK is deposited in your walled. In hi sec you get 100M ISK/hr, 65% of which is LP from blitzed missions, which you then have to convert into ISK by buying tags, purchasing LP store items, then nursing market listings. If you include that time, the ISK/hr again goes down: if you pile a dozen hour's worth of LP items into a ship and spend just one hour setting up orders you are going to flood your own market. You have to spread sales out to where they're going to make the most money.

His data may very well be representative. I'm simply saying that, I don't know because his data only illustrates, as far I can tell, that reaching 100+ mill per hour is possible. It does not establish a norm or long term sustainability.

But at this point, it doesn't matter because Baltec and Jenn have already made the point that how common this is is irrelevant, as long as null sec players are doing it. And I concede to that, because after all, the issue is that null sec players are having to head to hi sec to blitz missions for better income. Hell, the more I think about it the more it makes sense to nerf blitzing.

But for the record, I wasn't referring to 'newbies'. I was referring to players most recently introduced to Lvl 4 missioning, which may or may not be newbies. I would love CCP to share whatever data they have on this subject, because I'm betting they have much more 'representative' numbers than what we are able to produce. And it's frustrating that they don't. But not much we can do about it short of shooting a statue or something.

Oh, I understand. The Null cheer brigade are trying to destroy High Sec by cherry picking statistics like they always do and denying the figures from CCP that don't agree with them. That's what is being said in reality.

You can also have multiple characters, and when you have to dump more than one or two missions in a four hour period you just switch to a different character.



Only when compared to someone doing anomalies in a non-optimal manner.

The best way of nerfing blitzing is to encourage more people to do it. Keep up the suggestions, this is helping.

Bullshit you have your fingers in your ears so to speak.

I'm all fine with risk vs reward......I can take the risk I'm NOT getting the reward. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

And?

So then then choice becomes "use Ishtar, make 60 mil liquid isk, have to dock up, safe up or fight when people come at you because there is no CONCORD out there, and maybe have to replace your ship...

Or

Create/buy high sec alt, make the same 60 mil an hour (100 mil an hour minus the time it takes to convert LP lol) protected by CONCORD and maybe even an npc corp which can't even be war decced, in no danger whatsoever as long as you don't bling you ship past the point of ganker profitability.

Can you not see the problem with the above? How do you think the games combat PVE risk.reward scheme is supposed to work. And if you do know hiow it's supposed to work, can you say it's working properly?

This is what I mean by high sec people being short sighted. Somehow they think the longer wait lists in incursions and more competition driving down LP values is somehow good for them.

For some reason you don't get that null pve'rs pveing in null would help you types too (in multiple ways, like lower deadspace gear costs for example). Oh well, the current imblance is livable (I'm living it now in an incursion fleet), so your ignorance on the subject doesn't matter.

I have the keys to about 6-7 accounts at this point and there are usually 4 active at any time. Trust me I know all about how to spread standing hits. Its rare that I'm logged in with only one account usually.



Only when compared to someone doing anomalies in a non-optimal manner.

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No its a matter of survivability.

You think that battleship mobility nerf hit high sec? Try it when you ship surviving relies on being off grid and safe when interceptors hit grid at roughly align time and dictors swam and bubble the station on entry.
.....and every hostile in system is faster than you buy a factor or 3.

This is why we are ratting in cruisers, they are the only thing fast enough to GTFO that still has the punch (and tank) to DEAL with an anomaly i.e forlon/foresaken hubs, sancs, havens etc.

Optimal is a blinged out battleship or carrier, and guess what, you hit that optimal isk/hr that Stoic noted with his macharial in high sec.

So again, I take the risk, where is the reward. Its not there, hence a number of us that LIVE in null making out isk in high. Why do you think that is? Its NOT because I can't live without running a blockade for the 1000th time, trust that.

The saddest part of all of this is there was literally 2-3 highsec people that were actively participating but, they got drowned out by the cacophony of frothing rage by the hordes of highsec pubbies who invaded the thread.

Bazinga!

The best bit is that the Basilisk fits in the Orca's ship bay along with the Huginn. The most expensive things on the Huginn are the Fed Navy Stasis Webs. You just have to find fleets willing to take a Huginn over a Bhaalgorn, Vindicator, Loki, etc.