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Highsec PvP-ers needed for foreverwar against Goons

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Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#1161 - 2014-02-04 23:12:26 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Poco's really worth that much? This looks like a back alley with a bunch of hobos fighting over a moldy hotdog.


Keeping their true value a secret was the best choice ever. Perhaps, as you imply, they're worthless. On the other hand, some of Gevlon's followers seem to believe we make 100b+/mo from them.

Who's right? Not telling. Cool


I've publicly stated how much RvB makes out of ours, with that info, and knowing we have many many more than you (but that you have better factory planets), you'd think people could come up with a decent guess as to a range of how profitable they actually are but I suppose that'd be *effort* and require rational actors rather than grrr goons people.
Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#1162 - 2014-02-04 23:37:49 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Miko Jin wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
I wonder why do Goons talk about fault when Lemmings just passed 200 members in less than 2 weeks and the damage Marmite and Lemmings together done in 2014 to GSF, Greatern western, RvB and assorted pets are over the price of a Titan?!

Sure. The new norm is 70 titans, but give us some time.
Well it's not 2 weeks, in fact it's closer to 4. And still there's been no impact. You're still cheering yourselves on and patting yourselves on the back over a metric we don't care about. If your plan all along was to just get kb numbers up, congratulations. If your plan is to actually affect the goons, you are performing poorly. Once again, you are picking a metric that looks best for you, but is irrelevant to the actual goal.

We've told you before so I don't know why I even think you'll take it on board now, but all you are doing is paying a guy to move some of Marmites kills to a new name. Anyone dumb enough to get himself ganked in a bling ship on the Jita undock is dumb enough that he wouldn't have survived any of the other wardecs goons regularly have.


Your first sentence is glaring! I see the impact this is having by this thread alone being at 57 pages.
Threads about total nonsense make it to hundreds of pages at times, and almost every thread targeted at goons runs for ages before being closed. The fact this one isn't closed is probably more telling than anything else.

And the first sentence is just a statement of fact. It's said with disdain, since I saw it coming. Everything is exaggerated to the max in this thread.

You saw it coming! Your statement of fact is just trying to backtrack and exaggerate everything you have said to the max (Your words). Seems to me some nerves are jangled in 0.0
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1163 - 2014-02-04 23:55:11 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Poco's really worth that much? This looks like a back alley with a bunch of hobos fighting over a moldy hotdog.


Keeping their true value a secret was the best choice ever. Perhaps, as you imply, they're worthless. On the other hand, some of Gevlon's followers seem to believe we make 100b+/mo from them.

Who's right? Not telling. Cool


I've publicly stated how much RvB makes out of ours, with that info, and knowing we have many many more than you (but that you have better factory planets), you'd think people could come up with a decent guess as to a range of how profitable they actually are but I suppose that'd be *effort* and require rational actors rather than grrr goons people.

people who can put one foot in front of another like that don't make threads like this

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Del DelVechio
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#1164 - 2014-02-05 00:05:22 UTC
I got a shiny new Merlin last month, with T2 guns even, from my share of POCO/Goon Pet RMT ISK. Sadly I am afraid to undock it in Otela as Lemmings/Marmots have us hellcamped in....Who can save me?

Del
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1165 - 2014-02-05 00:05:27 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Marmite is one of the elite
I just wanted to pick this out.
You realise that this is in fact incorrect right?

Why don't you do your little stat gathering thing and actually look at what they do. They camp stations and gates and buff their killboard with easy kills (26% of the volume of their kills being things that can't shoot back - not including capsules, which makes up another 36%, for a total of 62% of their kills being unable to return fire).

The reason they appear elite is because they are highly risk averse, running away from anything that resembles an even fight or worse. Sure, if all people want is a buffed KB, they can go ahead and get it there (especially with those nifty trips to shoot titans in frigates), but your goal of taking down goons will not be accomplished by a group like that. The moment it looks like they might lose more than a couple of ships and hurt their precious efficiency, they'll bail.

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Del DelVechio
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#1166 - 2014-02-05 00:11:25 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Marmite is one of the elite
I just wanted to pick this out.
You realise that this is in fact incorrect right?

Why don't you do your little stat gathering thing and actually look at what they do. They camp stations and gates and buff their killboard with easy kills (26% of the volume of their kills being things that can't shoot back - not including capsules, which makes up another 36%, for a total of 62% of their kills being unable to return fire).

The reason they appear elite is because they are highly risk averse, running away from anything that resembles an even fight or worse. Sure, if all people want is a buffed KB, they can go ahead and get it there (especially with those nifty trips to shoot titans in frigates), but your goal of taking down goons will not be accomplished by a group like that. The moment it looks like they might lose more than a couple of ships and hurt their precious efficiency, they'll bail.


They actually war decced an RvBer's alt corp one time. Killed a freighter and a few other things, then one PvP pilot joined and went berserker on them. They docked up and took the campaign off their KB and went to ground.....Thats really all you need to know.

Del
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1167 - 2014-02-05 04:52:09 UTC
Hey beefolk! I heard you like statistics! Here is some more!

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1168 - 2014-02-05 05:06:45 UTC
oh my god

i didn't think you could get dumber and then you post this ratting tax conspiracy

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1169 - 2014-02-05 05:06:54 UTC
The problem with your theory is that ratting taxes only make us 100b a month.


Sorry for poking a hole in that idea.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1170 - 2014-02-05 05:08:21 UTC
gevlon literally posted an entire blog devoted to our nefarious plot to enslave the rest of the cfc by pushing down their ratting taxes and increasing our own

that's right the entire cfc is just so we can get more ratting taxes

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1171 - 2014-02-05 05:09:45 UTC
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Finally we can explain how the Goon empire works, because the "lazy Goons being carried by pets" made little sense. Goons aren't that lazy, their stratop activity isn't that bad, so they are far from being useless in a war. Of course it doesn't explain why the Goon leadership accepts their fleetbearing while the same is punished for their pets. I mean if fleetbearing is good, then it's good, why ban it for pets?

Not because of what they do in fleets. A lazy SMA player rarely fleeting up is just as good as a lazy Goon. Then why purge the former? Because of what they do outside of fleets. The pets, due to their enforced PvP culture are spending their free time getting into fights. The Goons are spending their free time making ISK. Nullsec ISK making activities can be taxed. Goonwaffe goes with 15% tax. This means that if a Goon farms 640M to get a PLEX, he gives 112M to Goonwaffe. By the time he farms 3B for a dreadnought, he gave 530M to Goonwaffe. Remember that even on the peak of the "unbeatable" Tech empire, the moon income was mere 50M/pilot/month. Compare that with the ratting taxes! Of course the pet members have ISK needs too, but they either do it on highsec alts (because nullsec industrial alt would harm the performance/member of the corp) or they convert PLEX-es. Either way, their corp gets nothing.

So by allowing Goons to carebear on their main, but forcing pets to get ISK outside of corp, The Mittani and his fellow leaders create a situation where Goonwaffe is swimming in taxed ISK, while pet corps and alliances have only one income source: what The Mittani gives them from the moon and renter income. This way the corp and alliance leaders depend on the The Mittani financially. Remember how many times he told that "Goons have the smallest amount of moons compared to their size among CFC"! Not a coincidence. The obscene hate towards "carebears", the Hulkageddon and Burn Jita isn't by mistake either. It's to spread the doctrine that carebearing is bad. Of course people still have ISK needs, but they hide it in alts, making sure that the coffers of their corp remains empty. So the truth is that Goons aren't dead weight at all on CFC. They are the economic powerhouse, and they monopolize this power source by forcing all the pets to be PvP-ers. The genius part is that it doesn't need too much force, as being "pure PvP-er" is a prestigious position, while in reality it means defeat or slavery.

Why no one defeated the Goons? Because their enemies are like their pets: impoverished PvP-ers who waste their time on roams, fishing fleets and such nonsense. They simply can't keep up with CFC financially, which could be seen by the change of supercapital power. Who will defeat the Goons? An alliance that openly does what the Goons do secretly. That throws away that "we are PvP-ers" attitude, embraces carebearing as a way of contribution and places the fleetbear as the ideal member: the one who goes on stratop fleets, but avoid pointless PvP and spends the rest of the time ISK making, both to get himself into capitals and to support his corp/alliance.

Please note that such alliance is necessarily the enemy of Goons, as Goons would demand them giving up their carebear side before accepting them as pets (allies). If you are financially independent, Goons will go after you. They ignored TEST until Fountain became valuable. They laugh on PvP-ers and smash them, but they are scared of carebears. For a good reason.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1172 - 2014-02-05 05:12:18 UTC
Quote:
An alliance that openly does what the Goons do secretly. That throws away that "we are PvP-ers" attitude, embraces carebearing as a way of contribution and places the fleetbear as the ideal member: the one who goes on stratop fleets, but avoid pointless PvP and spends the rest of the time ISK making, both to get himself into capitals and to support his corp/alliance.


Yeah I believe that alliance was called "Test Alliance Please Ignore"


Anyone heard of them lately?

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1173 - 2014-02-05 05:41:48 UTC
mynnna wrote:
The problem with your theory is that ratting taxes only make us 100b a month.

Sure, that's totally believable. I mean Chribba learns trustworthiness from you. Also, there are POCO taxes, refinery costs, VFK broker fees, little bit of this and little bit of that.

But you know what's funny? That with 4000 Goonwaffe members, your 100B/month figure is still 25M/member/month, half of what the Tech empire provided for CFC on its peak (2T/40000 pilots).

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Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1174 - 2014-02-05 06:03:34 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
mynnna wrote:
The problem with your theory is that ratting taxes only make us 100b a month.

Sure, that's totally believable. I mean Chribba learns trustworthiness from you.


Like your stuff is more believable, given your lack of understanding of this game.

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Edmark I
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1175 - 2014-02-05 06:04:32 UTC
Goblin breaks us for good by telling us we are even richer than we thought ITT Lol
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1176 - 2014-02-05 07:50:41 UTC
As with all of his statistics posts, he has a preconceived conclusion, and he will get to that no matter how dumb it makes him look. And I really don't understand the point. Am I supposed to now believe him that we mere pets make no income (even though my eyes appear to tell me that's untrue), and start shooting goons? Is that what is supposed to happen? I don't think it's likely.

Basically, unless his goal is to sound like a butthurt raving lunatic, he's missed the mark by quite a distance.

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#1177 - 2014-02-05 08:16:32 UTC
So what are we up to now? 2B a week in wardec costs? Don't be shy. If you want to win, you'll need to dec the entire CFC and pay for it. Throwing 10b or so a week just in dec fees will be worth it though in the end for the victor.

I'm excited to see all of this master plan unfold, Gevlon, as it appears we all are.

Will you be funding properly fit fleets of legions to snipe pods?

I'm willing to bet that if you buy Lemmings the skillbooks and fitted ships that they will be put to good use and really increase the kills.

I think you need more data though so that you can write more articles like this to expose even more secrets.

Are there any Goons here that will sell him these secrets for the right price?

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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#1178 - 2014-02-05 08:48:24 UTC
You gotta give it to Gevlon tho.

He's putting the money where his mouth his.
He is creating content ingame and on the forums :)
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1179 - 2014-02-05 09:50:40 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
You gotta give it to Gevlon tho.

He's putting the money where his mouth his.
He is creating content ingame and on the forums :)
Not sure I'd agree with that entirely.
The forum content is just troll posts, which are inevitable.
The in game content is just normal high sec wardec content moved from Marmite to a new name.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1180 - 2014-02-05 10:25:43 UTC
Pete Butcher wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

gevlon is paying somewhere betweeen 2-3b a week on wardecs between marmites and lemmings

you can imagine how hilarious that is to us, i should total up the amount of isk we've trolled him into flushing down a toilet

the 40b he donated to test though is hard to top


"ISK" is just pixels. You can only donate time in EVE. I mean the time I spent earning that ISK.
Since my income is 6-700M/hour, it means that I donate 4 hours a week to Marmite for running the Lemmings and massacring Goons and pets.

I donated about 65 hours to TEST which was indeed wasted and I regretted it.

But hard to top? How much time the Goon pets were donated to grind down regions in bombless bombers for The Mittani who rents it out?

An Ihub has 5M structure, 75M shield, 112M armor. A Bombless Bomber with imperfect skills has 600 DPS= 2.1M damage/hour. So they donated 91 hours for every single IHUB. And hundreds were taken.

Who is scammed here?



You.



well he has a point that the people that sit there shooting all those IHUbs were kind of explored :P the time wasted translated to more money not being done than the total value NC. lost in BR..... :P Imrpessive how price of time gets up really fast when combined :)

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