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Highsec PvP-ers needed for foreverwar against Goons

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Del DelVechio
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#1121 - 2014-02-04 19:03:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Del DelVechio
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
more a+ propaganda, a few more of these posts and im sure the members of rvb will revolt

It's actually Lemming internal propaganda. Fighting RvB isn't fun because they fly frigs and T1 cruisers. I remember when I was doing something similar: ganking Retrievers. Man, that was boring! You can kill them all day and have less on your killboard than if you'd gank a single Mackinaw.

On the other hand jackpods like this gives enough laughter to make one go another day grinding frigs/retrievers.


Yes, RvB is rag tag freak show of serious (dare I say elite, in some cases) PvPers, wanna be PvPers (scrubs like me), mining alts, 0.0 alts, trolls, and noobs. In spite of that, we manage to hold our own against crack, furry ground animals like Lemmings and Marmots who traditionally run for cover.....Or over a cliff.

Del
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1122 - 2014-02-04 19:07:30 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
I wonder why do Goons talk about fault when Lemmings just passed 200 members in less than 2 weeks and the damage Marmite and Lemmings together done in 2014 to GSF, Greatern western, RvB and assorted pets are over the price of a Titan?!

Sure. The new norm is 70 titans, but give us some time.
Well it's not 2 weeks, in fact it's closer to 4. And still there's been no impact. You're still cheering yourselves on and patting yourselves on the back over a metric we don't care about. If your plan all along was to just get kb numbers up, congratulations. If your plan is to actually affect the goons, you are performing poorly. Once again, you are picking a metric that looks best for you, but is irrelevant to the actual goal.

We've told you before so I don't know why I even think you'll take it on board now, but all you are doing is paying a guy to move some of Marmites kills to a new name. Anyone dumb enough to get himself ganked in a bling ship on the Jita undock is dumb enough that he wouldn't have survived any of the other wardecs goons regularly have.

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doc know
Archangels Inc.
End of Natural Lifetime
#1123 - 2014-02-04 19:08:33 UTC
Lol RVB

a few days ago some of your guys told me that the only reason why RVB jumped in is getting famous.
and that Gevlon write something about you.

ridiculous !!!
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1124 - 2014-02-04 19:12:33 UTC
This entire affair is a clever GSF plan to deplete the galaxy of badly fit cruisers.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Del DelVechio
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#1125 - 2014-02-04 19:15:08 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
This entire affair is a clever GSF plan to deplete the galaxy of badly fit cruisers.


I thought it was Titans?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1126 - 2014-02-04 19:21:16 UTC
doc know wrote:
@Lucas Kell

Its Time to tell you a secret about me Smile

I fought the goons with several toons in almost every fight the last few years.

I was there as Fountain fall and fought to my last rifter.

btw shame on enlighted industries!!!

I will be always there where is a Chance to get bee pods.

and i dont give f*** about Blogs or this creepy News site!

you can try to divide us with your "you should get paid stuff" it doesnt care me at all.

if somone would donate a fully faction fitted vindicator to me i would go straight ahead to vfk and ram it into goons face.

and why ?

I dont like your arrogance and i think iam not alone with that Twisted

the goons are a fat whale sitting on the most of the 0.0 income and deny younger alliances to find their place in 0.0 sec.

but there is blood in the water Twisted
There's actually a rental program so they can get into nullsec. When you consider that Sov in a system itself is not free, as you have to pay bills to CCP (or pail to pay them :D). So when you take that on board, you realise that the amount you pay for system rent isn't actually all bad. Then you get the added bonus that the actual sov is defended by the owning alliance.

The alternative is that you need to be able to fight your way in, and it's not just the CFC that would stop you. Tell me, if you wanted an N3 system, think they'd just hand it over? No sov holding alliance is going to allow some random alliance to just move in for nothing. If they can kick your back door in, they will. It just so happens that the CFC is big enough to kick in a lot of back doors. If you can't muster the strength, skill and finance to take on one of the sov holding groups and are unwilling to work diplomatically, why would you expect to just be allowed in?

By the way, CFC weren't the first to do rentals, not by a long shot, and they certainly have better newbie friendly programs than anyone else, so why the hate for the CFC and no other?

And why aren't you flying to VFK? That would have more impact than flapping around in highsec shooting random pods of people that shouldn't be in there. If you've flown with goons, then surely you should understand how little it means to pod a random high sec flying member that's too stupid to realise there's active wardecs.

No, you don't fly to VFK because you are lazy. You want to sit around a nice safe station so you can run and hide any time the going gets tough. And all the while your "leader" sits idly by collecting his income and contributing nothing towards an actual strategy.

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Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#1127 - 2014-02-04 19:33:42 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
I wonder why do Goons talk about fault when Lemmings just passed 200 members in less than 2 weeks and the damage Marmite and Lemmings together done in 2014 to GSF, Greatern western, RvB and assorted pets are over the price of a Titan?!

Sure. The new norm is 70 titans, but give us some time.
Well it's not 2 weeks, in fact it's closer to 4. And still there's been no impact. You're still cheering yourselves on and patting yourselves on the back over a metric we don't care about. If your plan all along was to just get kb numbers up, congratulations. If your plan is to actually affect the goons, you are performing poorly. Once again, you are picking a metric that looks best for you, but is irrelevant to the actual goal.

We've told you before so I don't know why I even think you'll take it on board now, but all you are doing is paying a guy to move some of Marmites kills to a new name. Anyone dumb enough to get himself ganked in a bling ship on the Jita undock is dumb enough that he wouldn't have survived any of the other wardecs goons regularly have.


Your first sentence is glaring! I see the impact this is having by this thread alone being at 57 pages.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#1128 - 2014-02-04 19:38:23 UTC
Gevlon's problem, is he knows he can't actually take any highsec POCOs from us, and what's more that was never his plan. His plan was to keep them reinforced to stop us making money from them, only he misunderstood the mechanics involved and that's not possible. Since then he's just been flailing around trying to take any "win" he can get to try to rub the egg off his face, but it isn't working.

Him ignoring that he has met no objectives yet, and is instead screaming about killboard stats is hilarious, because he had this to say just a short while ago:

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Once upon a time, there was Band of Brothers. An "elite PvP" alliance, one that was centered around the idea that "player skill" matters in a war. That having good kills and not having embarrassing losses matters. Their spirit still linger in the trolls who tell me that I should get respect by getting into difficult fights. They don't understand that in a war, respect doesn't matter. Results matter. Dead is dead, alive is alive. If you kill a faction battleship with a T1 cruiser, you get respect from Ripard. But it's a waste of time. Drop a pair of battleships on it and it's dead in no time. Same loot, same kill


So back to results - how many POCOs are we down? Who is here celebrating "good kills" and posting about "embarrassing losses"? You seem to have become a bizarre cargo cult of the very alliances we have beaten in the past. Only, you seem to be completely unaware of it. Fascinating.

The answer to the POCO question is, and will remain, none, because he failed to understand he would need to actually take them. He believed in highsec, he would win because there were no timer fights:

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Highsec PvP-ers can't be outblobbed on timer fights, because there aren't timer fights


Except there are when you need to take a POCO, and he knows too-well he will never have the man-power to win one of these fights. This is why lemmings and marmite ran away, and it's why they always will.

Keep digging Gevlon, you're even contradicting your own beliefs at this point. It's quite something.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1129 - 2014-02-04 19:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
No but see he destroyed one which is clearly a success. Pay no attention to the fact that it was because the goon forces were slow forming up for the early POCO and once they did show up, his Marmite pets ran away and hid instead of engaging, while meanwhile his Lemming pets were apparently off roaming lowsec.

But you know, sign of the inevitable and all that.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#1130 - 2014-02-04 19:51:11 UTC
mynnna wrote:
No but see he destroyed one which is clearly a success. Pay no attention to the fact that it was because the goon forces were slow forming up for the early POCO and once they did show up, his Marmite pets ran away and hid instead of engaging, while meanwhile his Lemming pets were apparently off roaming lowsec.

But you know, sign of the inevitable and all that.


I have been watching this thread and can say that from what I have read and been told, The one poco killed was to prove a point that is all.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1131 - 2014-02-04 19:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
Oh is that all? I guess he'll pick up his toys, declare victory ("I proved the goons aren't invincible!") and go home as soon as this war cycle ends, then.


Roll

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
doc know
Archangels Inc.
End of Natural Lifetime
#1132 - 2014-02-04 19:53:16 UTC
more pocos will fall ist only a question of time
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1133 - 2014-02-04 19:54:13 UTC
Miko Jin wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
I wonder why do Goons talk about fault when Lemmings just passed 200 members in less than 2 weeks and the damage Marmite and Lemmings together done in 2014 to GSF, Greatern western, RvB and assorted pets are over the price of a Titan?!

Sure. The new norm is 70 titans, but give us some time.
Well it's not 2 weeks, in fact it's closer to 4. And still there's been no impact. You're still cheering yourselves on and patting yourselves on the back over a metric we don't care about. If your plan all along was to just get kb numbers up, congratulations. If your plan is to actually affect the goons, you are performing poorly. Once again, you are picking a metric that looks best for you, but is irrelevant to the actual goal.

We've told you before so I don't know why I even think you'll take it on board now, but all you are doing is paying a guy to move some of Marmites kills to a new name. Anyone dumb enough to get himself ganked in a bling ship on the Jita undock is dumb enough that he wouldn't have survived any of the other wardecs goons regularly have.


Your first sentence is glaring! I see the impact this is having by this thread alone being at 57 pages.
Threads about total nonsense make it to hundreds of pages at times, and almost every thread targeted at goons runs for ages before being closed. The fact this one isn't closed is probably more telling than anything else.

And the first sentence is just a statement of fact. It's said with disdain, since I saw it coming. Everything is exaggerated to the max in this thread.

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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#1134 - 2014-02-04 19:57:17 UTC
Poco's really worth that much? This looks like a back alley with a bunch of hobos fighting over a moldy hotdog.
doc know
Archangels Inc.
End of Natural Lifetime
#1135 - 2014-02-04 19:57:42 UTC
at this time i could take vfk cause all of you are sitting and talking to each other through the forum
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1136 - 2014-02-04 19:58:05 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Poco's really worth that much? This looks like a back alley with a bunch of hobos fighting over a moldy hotdog.


Come on man, tell me that wouldnt be entertaining.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
doc know
Archangels Inc.
End of Natural Lifetime
#1137 - 2014-02-04 19:58:28 UTC
*Poco's really worth that much? This looks like a back alley with a bunch of hobos fighting over a moldy hotdog.*

i like this Picture :)
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#1138 - 2014-02-04 20:02:34 UTC
Miko Jin wrote:
mynnna wrote:
No but see he destroyed one which is clearly a success. Pay no attention to the fact that it was because the goon forces were slow forming up for the early POCO and once they did show up, his Marmite pets ran away and hid instead of engaging, while meanwhile his Lemming pets were apparently off roaming lowsec.

But you know, sign of the inevitable and all that.


I have been watching this thread and can say that from what I have read and been told, The one poco killed was to prove a point that is all.


They killed it because they could, because we weren't there in time. They killed it in a handful of cheap ships whilst aligned whenever a red was in local. As soon as they saw we had people on the way, they ran back home, leaving the others alone.

If the point was "we can fight them when they're not here" then I guess it was an OP success from their POV. I don't blame Marmite though, I see no actual reason why they should have our POCOs as a goal, since it's Gevlon who wants them dead and isn't lifting a finger to make that happen.
If I was in Marmite I wouldn't risk my ship (and ergo ISK) on fighting over them either. Marmite are clearly in this for the free wardec, and good on them.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#1139 - 2014-02-04 20:04:19 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Poco's really worth that much? This looks like a back alley with a bunch of hobos fighting over a moldy hotdog.


What are we meant to do? After Gevlon's elite PVP bunch took out our mining barge we're pretty much out of options.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1140 - 2014-02-04 20:06:38 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Poco's really worth that much? This looks like a back alley with a bunch of hobos fighting over a moldy hotdog.


Keeping their true value a secret was the best choice ever. Perhaps, as you imply, they're worthless. On the other hand, some of Gevlon's followers seem to believe we make 100b+/mo from them.

Who's right? Not telling. Cool

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