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C3 Solo Day Trips

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Burtakus
Lone W0lf Society
#1 - 2014-02-04 18:38:43 UTC
Any advice for someone wanting to do solo day trips into C3's?

I ran one the other day in an Ishtar and everything went fine until D-scan filled up with other ships and I had to bail just as I was starting the second site.

Some questions for starters:
- How do you best avoid getting ganked?
- Are there any precautions other than spamming D-scan with myself and my alt in the WH?
- I scooped about 35 mill in blue loot from the one site I ran and it took just over 20 minutes. I only have salvaging to 3 so could not salvage most of the wrecks. Is there much to be made from salvaging C3 wrecks?
- If you do get some PvP (which would be great) what are the chances of someone being a solo PvPer in a WH? I am all up for PvP, just don't want to get blobbed by some WH corp with a fleet out there.


Thanks in advance
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#2 - 2014-02-04 18:55:08 UTC
The way you described is the only way to avoid pvp. Yes you can make a decent amount of money salvaging. Best idea is to bm the wrecks and come back with a salvage ship.
THeres a chance you could get dropped by one person but tbh if you are in a ratting ship it doesnt matter if theres 1 person or 10 you are going to die assuming the person ganking you isnt terrible.
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#3 - 2014-02-04 19:23:55 UTC
Burtakus wrote:
- How do you best avoid getting ganked?

Intelligence. If I feel like bearing it up, I want that system locked down as much as possible. All signatures known. The whole chain scouted out. Scouts on each hole. That's why my first piece of advice when you are thinking of soloing in a Class 3 wormhole is, "Don't": http://splatus.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/solo-c3-strategic-cruisers/
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- Are there any precautions other than spamming D-scan with myself and my alt in the WH?

Combat probes. Expand to 64AU. Move them far above/below the ecliptic of the system so they are out of d-scan range (14.5AU). Hit the probe scanner every few seconds. You'll often catch that inbound fleet a few seconds earlier, and if anybody is decloaked anywhere in the system, you'll see them by ignoring known signatures and watching for new ones. Also have your scout orbit the wormhole you feel is most likely to have enemies inbound.
A lot of people in this forum poo-poo the idea of combat probes while running sites. I say, try them out, particularly if you have an alt in a scout ship that can do so.
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I scooped about 35 mill in blue loot from the one site I ran and it took just over 20 minutes. I only have salvaging to 3 so could not salvage most of the wrecks. Is there much to be made from salvaging C3 wrecks?

Typical take from a C3 anomaly -- including salvage -- is about 50-70M. From a data/relic site, closer to 100M, but highly variable.
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If you do get some PvP (which would be great) what are the chances of someone being a solo PvPer in a WH? I am all up for PvP, just don't want to get blobbed by some WH corp with a fleet out there.


If you don't scout them out and catch them with their pants down, you must always assume it's bait. Because it probably is.
Marsan
#4 - 2014-02-04 22:46:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
Basically the only way I do solo high sec day tripping in a wormhole is as follows:

- Find an empty system c2-3
- Find all wormholes, and crit them (use a bs with afterburn and plates, or use an orca on any HS hole )
- Drop combat probes and rescan regularly
- Use a drake or other cheap BC

In general I recommend at least getting a friend with an alt or 2. Then you can station an alt on each hole, look at the hole, and bail when you hear an activation.


As far as solo pvp you are really limited to hunting planet gooers, and miners. Anything else will generally take to long to kill, and you risk being mobbed.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

illy velo
Emergency and I
#5 - 2014-02-04 23:58:37 UTC
The only area I am going to disagree with you on Marsan (hi bud, by the way) is the hole rolling and critting. You are likely to get jumped during the roll if you are solo since your intel is going to be limited.

FWIW when I used to dive I preferred to just clear gravs and gas sites of sleepers as they are the quickest and when you are after nano's it doesn't matter what class the hole is. The quicker on / off grid the better. I always felt vulnerable running anoms and a bit safer in the relic / data sites but still too much time in one place.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#6 - 2014-02-05 00:20:26 UTC
Run 3-4 sites. Bookmark a wreck in each site. Label the wreck in the first site 1, the second site 2, etc...Once you kill the sleepers and warp off, the site will despawn. This means anyone that enters the wormhole after they despawn will have to combat you in order to find you. If you pay attention to d-scan while salvaging, you should almost never get caught.

Also, make safe spots in the system that you can warp off to, just in case you run into bad people.

Lastly, don't be surprised/angry/sad if you do get caught. There are some very sneaky people out there who are very good at finding people like you. It's going to happen. The only thing you can do is make it as hard as possible for them.

No trolling please

Alundil
Rolled Out
#7 - 2014-02-05 04:30:08 UTC
This ^.

Has been my SOP for a long time when it comes to running anomalies in connecting holes.

I'm right behind you

Kathryn Painway
Just a Ride
#8 - 2014-02-05 11:07:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathryn Painway
Good advice from prior posts, a few additions:

Yeah, criting wormholes is not the best idea unless it's a high-security connector or you have a force to be reckoned with helping out. On the other hand a jump-drive with a shwack of neuts, warp stabs and some jamming support might be enough for most encounters but you never really know what you'll run into so...

It is always a good idea to investigate the local pos owners which can be done initially through sites like worrmnav, wormhol.es and dotlan then evewho, battleclinic... Many WH corps only have a few regular toons that live there (watch-list em) but if they have a large presence use the opportunity for a potential PVP encounter instead if you like.

I like the thought about spamming the Directional Scanner with combat probes out but only if you can't cover all of the wormholes, otherwise deleting all of the signatures you have accounted for on your System Scanner and clicking (yellow link at bottom) every 10-20 seconds or so should be adequate in case a new sig shows up.

Additionally, cover the wormholes with cloaky alts/toons for as long as you can prior to running sites (keeping despawn time in mind for your exit) and watch-listing anyone you come across, including their corp or alliance.

Lastly, it really is better money having at least 2-5 individuals running sites with you which further enables you for running scan down sites, minimizing your time running sites (and getting ganked), salvaging and playing that happy happy joy joy hacking game.

Penis

Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-02-05 13:28:46 UTC
The safest way is to roam until you find a C3 with a nullsec static. These are usually deserted because nobody wants to live out of one and they're very hard to find because the static to k-space will only open if warped to on the w-space side. You basically have to find get lucky and find a wandering hole into one, but if you do manage to find this you're probably looking at 30+ sites and weeks worth of solo PvE. (or at least until you run out of ammo) Once you're in, you only really have to worry about PvP corps rolling their C3 static to find kills, and you can watch for the new signature on d-scan.
HTC NecoSino
Suddenly Carebears
#10 - 2014-02-05 17:22:53 UTC
I used to camp and harvest a C3 when I found a good one with lots of anoms and a null static.

Use an industrial to bring in and anchor a freight container full of ammo, modules you may need, etc. Anchor it in a safe spot.
Bring 2 characters each flying a T3. Each carries a mobile depot and refits for pve, pvp or cloaky.
Come in, run sites, salvage, store loots in the can. Anchor the depot, refit to cloaky/pvp, scoop depot. Log.
Log back on, SCAN! If safe, launch depot, refit pve, do sites, rinse and repeat.

You might even get lucky and find a null-bear farming it sometime!
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20915721
Burtakus
Lone W0lf Society
#11 - 2014-02-05 17:42:14 UTC
Thanks for the tips.

I have already put some of them to use in my most recent day trip.

My biggest adjustment so far seems to be dealing with the paranoia caused by not having local.
Marsan
#12 - 2014-02-06 00:01:35 UTC
illy velo wrote:
The only area I am going to disagree with you on Marsan (hi bud, by the way) is the hole rolling and critting. You are likely to get jumped during the roll if you are solo since your intel is going to be limited.

FWIW when I used to dive I preferred to just clear gravs and gas sites of sleepers as they are the quickest and when you are after nano's it doesn't matter what class the hole is. The quicker on / off grid the better. I always felt vulnerable running anoms and a bit safer in the relic / data sites but still too much time in one place.



Well you want to scout the hole 1st with a cheap and well fitted ship. The key to criting a hole with a BS is fitting a bunch of stabs, a cloak, a lot of ecm drones, and a probe launcher. Sure you can still get jumped by a hic and die, but it raises the stakes. Like wise an Orca on a HS hole is very hard to kill if you don't get polarized. It's rare you aren't in range of the hole when you jump, and if you fitted an ab/mw, and tank you'll survive the run to the hole. Honestly you'll likely die horrible the 1st time you are jumped due to mistakes until you learn not to panic, hold cloak, and always cloak/mw away from the hole.

All this said honestly you are better off joining a corp. (Enjoyed PNDI a lot with Illy) You'll make more isk, die less often and learn a lot. I'd be in a wspace corp if I had more time to play, and wasn't enjoying playing tag in LS and market games in HS.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-02-07 15:25:12 UTC
Burtakus wrote:

My biggest adjustment so far seems to be dealing with the paranoia caused by not having local.


Wait until you get the paranoia of seeing so many people IN local. And they talk too... eewwww

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#14 - 2014-02-07 15:57:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Janeway84
Advice dont sit in one spot, move about in the site, hit dscan ever 5 seconds.
Make sure your dscan is clear of things you dont need to see P
For solo pvp in wh's Ive ran into one awesome dude who can solo drakes with his purifier stealth bomber, the dude is like a genious Big smile polletjepikhaar is the guy he is like epic.

Myself using main + alt in cloaky recons and or cov ops t3 and scout until you find something, time consuming and sometimes you get nothing but sometimes the thrill is there when you actually run into possible action.

What ships you fly is also going to determine what ships you can fight and what ships you should avoid.
Rob Benson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-02-08 18:31:40 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Burtakus wrote:

My biggest adjustment so far seems to be dealing with the paranoia caused by not having local.


Wait until you get the paranoia of seeing so many people IN local. And they talk too... eewwww


0_0 so many people in highsec local

Skyriders, ride on!

snake03
#16 - 2014-02-13 04:50:36 UTC
Janeway84 wrote:
Advice dont sit in one spot, move about in the site, hit dscan ever 5 seconds.
Make sure your dscan is clear of things you dont need to see P
For solo pvp in wh's Ive ran into one awesome dude who can solo drakes with his purifier stealth bomber, the dude is like a genious Big smile polletjepikhaar is the guy he is like epic.

Myself using main + alt in cloaky recons and or cov ops t3 and scout until you find something, time consuming and sometimes you get nothing but sometimes the thrill is there when you actually run into possible action.

What ships you fly is also going to determine what ships you can fight and what ships you should avoid.




Ya, but did you see the fit on the drake kill?

I'm just a modern day caveman in search of a bigger club.