Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just a rough estimate when looking at attempts at forced PvP mmos in other places, removing NPC corps would reduce the game population by about 99%.

Why are you seriously replying to an obvious troll and troll post :P

I am really interested in knowing how a group of players, all less than three months old, can be anything but clueless in regard to deeper Eve-O mechanics.

Regardless, what I believe the OP and you are really arguing for, is someway to sort "bitter vets" out of the rookie corps. That filter does not exist, and it would not stop bitter vets from creating alts/trial accounts and go preaching drivel in the rookie corps anyhow. I support the sentiment, though.

Dropping corp chat for NPC corps is a great idea. I have a couple of scout alts that are in NPC corps.

NPC starter corp chat is like watching a ****** try to hump a door knob. You feel kinda bad but mostly you just don't understand how anyone could be that clueless. You also chuckle a bit at their expense.

I agree that this is NOT the environment you want to start out in as a new player. It could be the one benefit player owned corps have over NPC corps - 'chat.'

Also poster above me has a good idea about being able to possibly join different corps.

and rookie chat is so much better? I would argue at least you can get a deeper a more personal conversation in a corp chat then a one liner in rookie.

Thank you for your statement too. As you openly admit you would rather laugh at a new player trying to learn then helping and providing some more experienced knowledge of the game. WOW I'm really wanting to come to your player corp because it sounds like your environment is so much better.

Delete the chat and you doom newbies to being ignored or trolled in rookie chat. Have you seen the rookie chat? It scrolls so fast that it's hard to even see the questions and sometimes the answers. AT least in NPC newbie corp chat there's a good chance someone will give them sound advice.

If you force people like me out of the npc corps then you lose one who IS trying to help newbies with advice and sometimes isk (I don't always give isk away they usually have to do something for it). What's left is true newbies and bitter vet alts who will poison the pot.

What would I do if forced out of a npc corp? I'd just quit or make a **** ton of my own corps so anytime I get decced I could then hop. Then you'll be screaming to nerf the ability to change corps and everything goes downhill from there. Eventually if we follow this far enough we'll have a game where newbies get little to no help in chat while being trolled by bittervets and veteran players are forced into waiting a week before changing corps. Subscriptions will probably either stay flat or decline slightly as a result.

Why am I in a NPC corp? Because I played the nullsec game and it turned into a job where I slaved away for my corp on a daily basis. The game lost it's fun and I quit for years because I had no interest in having a third "job". When I came back I tried to join a player corp while telling myself I wouldn't let the game become a job again. I was rejected because I was a spy alt, a newbie with no clue, too low SP (OMG 20M SP AT LEAST), had to pay collateral (not the scam kind), or required to be a slave to the corp. That excludes the obvious scam/grief invites. I almost joined one corp but I found out they just had a goon AWOXer who killed most of their corp while they were missioning/mining. So at the time I decided to just sit it out and wait for a good corp who didn't care about my limited availability. That corp never appeared sadly.

I think a lot of the 'solutions' we keep seeing in this thread are good ways to drive off new players. "Delete NPC corp chat" doesn't make any sense. All players are in a corp. Corp chat is a part of the game. It isn't a 'special' chat, it's a integral part of the game. If you deleted it, you would also have to get rid of regular corp chat, because it is the same thing. That would be 'great', all those player corps unable to organize attacks or mining ops... That being said, "Rookie" chat is probably what you should delete, as it is full of people spamming, cursing, putting bounties on anyone who talks, etc. If anything drives away new players, it's "Rookie" chat. Make it so that players are put into NPC corp chat before Rookie chat, with a MOTD that tells this 'Welcome to ___, this is your npc corp, etc." A lot of new players come into NPC Corp chat thinking it is Corp Recruitment.

You want to entice new players into existing player corps? Give them an inbox or Notifications for 'Corp Advertisements'. Have this be in the Tutorial missions. Set it up so that people with certain skills that the corporation is looking for get those advertisements. Set it up so that players can determine what kind of a corp they would want to join based on the hours they are available to play or what kind of corp they are looking for. Limit the number of 'ads' they get in this inbox from 3-5 per day. Let corps do spiffy things like put their logo in there, or their or graphics. Also, charge corporations to send out a certain number of ads to the right people, charge them more to make it look more spiffy with graphics or whatever. Make the corporations work for those new recruits, not just 'dump' them somewhere, and give new players a chance to decide where they want to go based on what corps are looking for. Forcing people to do anything is not fun.

The people suggesting those sorts of things (delete npc chat, force new players into null or lowsec, force people into player corps) are not the people I would hire as my new customer retention team, unless I was making a game I didn't want anyone new to play.

This idiot idea seem to flouish. People will simply quit if you try to force them to play the way YOU want them to. It's also very easy to get aound this with a bit of education. Starting a 1 man corp costs nothing and you can create an NPC chat alt over and over again that will never be taxed...

How bout u put an alt into the npc corp and occasionally go on it and help some rooks out, hell maybe find some new corp mates.