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Minmatar militia declare war on WINMATAR
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DeT Resprox
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2014-02-04 10:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: DeT Resprox
In the last few days, news spread that moon structures belonging to Defiant Legacy had been shot down in Bosboger in a callous act of piracy by members of WINMATAR alliance, a militia member of the Minmatar Republic.

Their reasons unknown at this point in time.....little is known if it is greed or preparations for something bigger. This was followed by the destruction of another mining base held by MELTDOWN.

An attempt to reason through diplomacy was attempted (the recordings of which remain confidential at present) by Annah Kitherin. When asked to make a statement that this would not occur Maximus Decimal replied:

"I don't think that a statement is an option. It's not something we're interested in,making arrangements".

Meetings were held by Council representatives of several Minmatar militia commanding officers within each corporation and alliance and a swift decision had been made to declare en-masse on WINMATAR.

Tonight, between 19:00 - 20:00 hours, some twelve declarations of war are going active against WINMATAR in a show of defiance against such actions against the Republic. An alliance who was once considered one of the loyalist Republic representatives has turned on its own.

The first shot, prior to any war going live, was fired last night as members of White Lotus shot down a Tornado at the helm of Maximus Decimal.

Minmatar militia representatives have mobilised and we expect heavy conflicts.

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Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#2 - 2014-02-04 10:37:47 UTC
Not surprising. I'm thinking an apt nickname for the CEMWPA wars should be 'The Civil Wars'. Infighting is as predictable as the swinging pendulum of the war-front.

-Eran
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2014-02-04 15:28:29 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Not surprising. I'm thinking an apt nickname for the CEMWPA wars should be 'The Civil Wars'. Infighting is as predictable as the swinging pendulum of the war-front.

-Eran


The only infighting I've ever been part of in the warzone has been dealing with elements of Fweddit who believe that all Caldari Militia are far game.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#4 - 2014-02-04 16:15:30 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Not surprising. I'm thinking an apt nickname for the CEMWPA wars should be 'The Civil Wars'. Infighting is as predictable as the swinging pendulum of the war-front.

-Eran


The only infighting I've ever been part of in the warzone has been dealing with elements of Fweddit who believe that all Caldari Militia are far game.


Give it more time you'll see what I'm talking about. Of course being apart of it is different than simply seeing it, as you point out. Let's hope for the latter though.

-Eran
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#5 - 2014-02-04 16:36:18 UTC
To chime in with the above, there has been infighting in the Amarr Milita as well, was quite the news a few months back. Capsuleers really are a hard people to unite, even when they fight for the same side...

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Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#6 - 2014-02-04 16:41:53 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
To chime in with the above, there has been infighting in the Amarr Milita as well, was quite the news a few months back. Capsuleers really are a hard people to unite, even when they fight for the same side...


Well, half of Amarr wants to enslave Sebbies to save souls while the other half wants to enslave Sebbies to nibble on toes, and so there are fundamentals fundamentally involved, you know.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#7 - 2014-02-04 17:37:59 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
To chime in with the above, there has been infighting in the Amarr Milita as well, was quite the news a few months back. Capsuleers really are a hard people to unite, even when they fight for the same side...


Well, half of Amarr wants to enslave Sebbies to save souls while the other half wants to enslave Sebbies to nibble on toes, and so there are fundamentals fundamentally involved, you know.

Which half are you in?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2014-02-04 17:50:43 UTC
Lady Noh has always struck me as being firmly in the 'toes' camp.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#9 - 2014-02-04 17:52:44 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
To chime in with the above, there has been infighting in the Amarr Milita as well, was quite the news a few months back. Capsuleers really are a hard people to unite, even when they fight for the same side...


Well, half of Amarr wants to enslave Sebbies to save souls while the other half wants to enslave Sebbies to nibble on toes, and so there are fundamentals fundamentally involved, you know.

Which half are you in?


I have no combat skills and believe Sebbies should be enslaved for SCIENCE!

That said, when properly managed, toe nibbling is good for the soul.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#10 - 2014-02-04 19:01:53 UTC
Most of the infighting has less to do with uniting on one side and more to do with the fact some of the capsuleers involved don't even consider themselves on the same side. Some Capsuleers are very opportunistic and joined the militias for reasons other than loyalty be it rewards for taking down hostile targets or just because they take perverse pleasure in killing and want those extra targets.

With those kinds of people, friendly militia IFF means nothing and I am surprised most of them have a policy of NBSI rather than NUSI (not us shoot it)
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#11 - 2014-02-04 19:43:35 UTC
This behavior by Biohazard. corporation and their puppet alliance WINMATAR cannot exactly be called surprising. The greed and arrogance of their leadership has proven to be boundless in the past, thus their seeming belief that they have a mandate to attack the holdings of their supposed militia brethren isn't exactly shocking.
Vulxanis Viceroy
Vicarius Vitae
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2014-02-04 20:06:07 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
To chime in with the above, there has been infighting in the Amarr Milita as well, was quite the news a few months back. Capsuleers really are a hard people to unite, even when they fight for the same side...


True. However, if you are referring to the d'Hanguest incident, that had more to do with the former Lady d'Hanguest throwing a temper tantrum when she had PIE attacked by Mercenaries. PIE, took the high road, and simply defended themselves when needed. They did not fall into her hands. We had no "Loyalists turned pirates". PIE would absolutely never do anything of the sort. Such would bring great dishonor.

However, the situation with WINMATAR is complete and utter chaos. At least in the Amarr Militia, when there is a dispute, it is almost always either founded, controlled, or both.

This is possibly further evidence of the Minmatar Militia's resolve simply being broken entirely, what with the dissolution of Electus Matari. The Amarr militia, however, has had no such problems.

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Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#13 - 2014-02-04 20:12:19 UTC
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
At least in the Amarr Militia, when there is a dispute, it is almost always either founded, controlled, or both.

This is possibly further evidence of the Minmatar Militia's resolve simply being broken entirely, what with the dissolution of Electus Matari. The Amarr militia, however, has had no such problems.


History would disagree. Both sides have had their share of warranted and unwarranted civil wars.

-Eran
Vulxanis Viceroy
Vicarius Vitae
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2014-02-04 20:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Vulxanis Viceroy
Eran Mintor wrote:
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
At least in the Amarr Militia, when there is a dispute, it is almost always either founded, controlled, or both.

This is possibly further evidence of the Minmatar Militia's resolve simply being broken entirely, what with the dissolution of Electus Matari. The Amarr militia, however, has had no such problems.


History would disagree. Both sides have had their share of warranted and unwarranted civil wars.

-Eran


And your point would be? I fail to see how history has anything to do with what I just said. I am speaking of recent events and how the Minmatar Militia is behaving differently than the Amarr would. I also made the point that regardless of whether or not the civil war is founded or warrented, it is still controlled, and does not amount to all out war and choas like the current situation with WINMATAR.

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Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#15 - 2014-02-04 20:45:54 UTC
The Fweddit/Death by Design war is still fresh in the memory of the Amarr militia. Going back further, LNA has been at war with Ushra'Khan, and Locus Industries was wardeced by my own corp at the time, the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown.

Civil wars within militias are yearly ordeals from my experience.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#16 - 2014-02-04 20:54:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
The Fweddit/Death by Design war is still fresh in the memory of the Amarr militia. Going back further, LNA has been at war with Ushra'Khan, and Locus Industries was wardeced by my own corp at the time, the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown.

Civil wars within militias are yearly ordeals from my experience.



I noticed they apparantly follow a certain pattern. On the verge of victory (almost all key-systems taken), the infighting tends to start, giving the opposition time to gather themselevs and launch succesful counteroffensives, as the near-victor is now heavely weakened by internal strife.
Repeat when victory is near again for one of the sides.

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Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#17 - 2014-02-04 21:01:17 UTC
This war is a little different, however, as currently the Minamtar are on the back-foot *and* are now fighting each other.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#18 - 2014-02-04 21:22:08 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
This war is a little different, however, as currently the Minamtar are on the back-foot *and* are now fighting each other.

Oh, that does sound dire! Just on the moment they should stand as one, they fall apart. But I doubt the Amarr Militia is complaining.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2014-02-04 21:29:36 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
This war is a little different, however, as currently the Minamtar are on the back-foot *and* are now fighting each other.

Oh, that does sound dire! Just on the moment they should stand as one, they fall apart. But I doubt the Amarr Militia is complaining.


I imagine ale and wine sales are up appropriately.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2014-02-04 21:50:21 UTC
If the Republic wishes to sue for peace with the Empire, I'm sure that something can be agreed before the Minmatar forces collapse completely.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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