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I broke rules 1 and 4.

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Orin Wright
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-04 10:45:45 UTC
Alright, so this is just a thread to warn other new players that this can happen.

Since playing, I was informed of four rules for EVE Online:
1. Don't trust anyone.
2. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
3. If it undocks, it dies.
4. Never fly solo.

Now, this happened to me:

I was flying a Kestrel in low-sec (0.3/0.2 mainly). I'm looking for people flagged so I can engage them without worrying about CONCORD. I spot a flagged Comorant so I fly in to engage, I lock my target and begin to open fire. A few seconds later, five or six ships enter the fray, helping the Comorant. I lost my Kestrel, no big deal. Then, they lock onto my pod but don't fire. They say they'll let me go for 1mil ISK. I pay it since I had it and...they destroy my pod anyway before I could warp to the nearest Jumpgate.


So yeah, to other new players, don't trust anyone who says they'll let your pod go for money. They will destroy you anyway.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#2 - 2014-02-04 10:48:53 UTC
Your pod had no implants.

Your clone is free (you have less than 900k sp)

Why would you pay to save a worthless clone?

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Orin Wright
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-02-04 10:51:44 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Your pod had no implants.

Your clone is free (you have less than 900k sp)

Why would you pay to save a worthless clone?


I had upgraded my clone without really thinking about the consequences (I think I paid around 6mil ISK for the clone), I did have one implant and my clone was 19 jumps from the area of space I was in when I was pod-killed.
Maccian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-02-04 10:51:52 UTC
Maybe he wasn't keen on being sent to his home station.

Certain corporations will honor ransoms every time. Some don't, its just another thing you'll need to learn.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2014-02-04 11:15:18 UTC
I don't trust people that ask for such a small ransom.

The ones that ask for a larger ransom - say 50m - I would respond to by saying "Accepted, conditional on a Google search not showing you dishonoring any ransoms within the next 60 sec". But the ones that ask for 1m or 10m are just looking for something to laugh about.

My favorite EVE rule is: "Don't trust anyone in game unless you are sleeping with them IRL".

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Pamela Penken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-02-04 11:34:17 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:


My favorite EVE rule is: "Don't trust anyone in game unless you are sleeping with them IRL".


That sounds like a really naive thing to do. Big smile
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2014-02-04 11:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:


My favorite EVE rule is: "Don't trust anyone in game unless you are sleeping with them IRL".

Even that ones sketchy, my Gf is on our corporate wachlist @ -10
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#8 - 2014-02-04 11:40:00 UTC
Some one posted the following statement a while back:

"They maybe be screwing you to screw you"
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2014-02-04 12:15:36 UTC
Orin Wright wrote:
I was flying a Kestrel in low-sec (0.3/0.2 mainly). I'm looking for people flagged so I can engage them without worrying about CONCORD.
In lowsec you don't have to worry about Concord, they're not present there so you can engage anybody you like.

Concord only operate in 0.5 to 1.0 space, they're too scared to venture anywhere else.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Caldari State
#10 - 2014-02-04 12:45:41 UTC
RIP Brave Kestrel.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#11 - 2014-02-04 16:46:11 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Your pod had no implants.

Your clone is free (you have less than 900k sp)

Why would you pay to save a worthless clone?


Dude attacked a Comorant in a Kestrel. He has to upgrade his clone just to be able to contain his 'nads.
Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-02-04 17:30:35 UTC
I attacked a gang of Red-Feds with my Tristan and only 3 drones.. my drones never made it out of their drone bay.

lesson #1924567 : " When trying to engage a gang.. warp at safe distance from the bulk of the fleet... =p "

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#13 - 2014-02-04 18:56:51 UTC
Orin Wright wrote:
Alright, so this is just a thread to warn other new players that this can happen.

Since playing, I was informed of four rules for EVE Online:
1. Don't trust anyone.
2. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
3. If it undocks, it dies.
4. Never fly solo.

Now, this happened to me:

I was flying a Kestrel in low-sec (0.3/0.2 mainly). I'm looking for people flagged so I can engage them without worrying about CONCORD. I spot a flagged Comorant so I fly in to engage, I lock my target and begin to open fire. A few seconds later, five or six ships enter the fray, helping the Comorant. I lost my Kestrel, no big deal. Then, they lock onto my pod but don't fire. They say they'll let me go for 1mil ISK. I pay it since I had it and...they destroy my pod anyway before I could warp to the nearest Jumpgate.


So yeah, to other new players, don't trust anyone who says they'll let your pod go for money. They will destroy you anyway.


Report the names of the Pirates that did this in the "Crimes and Punishment" forum subsection. Link your ship and pod loss (should be on zkillboard or EvE kill), and ignore any troll remarks asking for proof.

You won't get any vengeance or retribution, but it will let people know how much to trust them (should they do a forum search).
Qalix
Long Jump.
#14 - 2014-02-04 19:59:09 UTC
Never pay ransoms. Ever.

Never post in Crime and Punishment unless you enjoy being mocked.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-02-04 23:14:30 UTC
Qalix wrote:
Never pay ransoms. Ever.

Never post in Crime and Punishment unless you enjoy being mocked.

Its all in good fun! Besides, he can talk about how hes not mad, but wants other people to get revenge for him!

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Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2014-02-04 23:28:26 UTC
Those people ruin it :(

I vouch for members of my corp and if they do ransom you and pod you send the proof over to me and they'll return your loss plus spanking monies.

Not that we can catch pods often Lol

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#17 - 2014-02-05 08:20:06 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I don't trust people that ask for such a small ransom.

The ones that ask for a larger ransom - say 50m - I would respond to by saying "Accepted, conditional on a Google search not showing you dishonoring any ransoms within the next 60 sec". But the ones that ask for 1m or 10m are just looking for something to laugh about.


OP is less then a week old. One million sounds appropriate for one so young.

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Inritus Astrum
#18 - 2014-02-05 13:26:34 UTC
Orin Wright wrote:
Alright, so this is just a thread to warn other new players that this can happen.

Since playing, I was informed of four rules for EVE Online:
1. Don't trust anyone.
2. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
3. If it undocks, it dies.
4. Never fly solo.

Now, this happened to me:

I was flying a Kestrel in low-sec (0.3/0.2 mainly). I'm looking for people flagged so I can engage them without worrying about CONCORD. I spot a flagged Comorant so I fly in to engage, I lock my target and begin to open fire. A few seconds later, five or six ships enter the fray, helping the Comorant. I lost my Kestrel, no big deal. Then, they lock onto my pod but don't fire. They say they'll let me go for 1mil ISK. I pay it since I had it and...they destroy my pod anyway before I could warp to the nearest Jumpgate.


So yeah, to other new players, don't trust anyone who says they'll let your pod go for money. They will destroy you anyway.


A little additional info on this... there are a number of pirate corps that will release your pod for a ransom. For example, in our alliance not honoring a ransom can get you kicked. Just depends on the group, but unless you're in an expensive pod, it generally isn't worth paying.
Tho'mas
Nerds United
#19 - 2014-02-05 15:14:18 UTC
In my experience most people honor a ransom. Simply because if they do not, the population of Eve as a whole becomes less likely to pay ransoms in the future.

I personally prefer to be paid a ransom over a killmail whenever possible. Although usually the fight isn't so one sided that I can idly sit by and start up a conversation while they're still trying to hammer me with ordinance.

Colonel Starkweather
Life. Universe. Everything.
#20 - 2014-02-05 17:08:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Colonel Starkweather
Funny how this works...

ironically I broke rules 2 and 3 on Monday and thought I could get away with moving 400 million isk worth of ships and modules (everything i owned in other words) to jita in a mammoth... thankfully a kind person in a vexor showed me the error of my ways and liberated me of my loot about 3 jumps from jita... I learned something (don't be a lazy noob) and the vexor pilot got a pay-day XD

Now I am sitting with only a few million isk in my wallet and a nice loss to reflect on as I go forward in my eve career.
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