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Newbie - Ship Fitting Suggestions (Cruisers)
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Thea Cross
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-02-04 09:08:26 UTC

OK...

So ive just recently started playing Eve, around 10 days now, im currently flying an Algos and a Catalyst doing epic arcs and lvl-2/3 missions and would like to move up to cruisers.

I am eyeing the Thorax which is cheap and looks like a gunship. BTW, currently I have all of my skills at level 3 (core and support) with a few at level 4, others are on the way.

If i get the thorax, I wanted to build it as a fast ship (to kill bigger ships), get in close and slam them with my blazing guns (+ drones for support), i just dont feel like flying Frigs and Dessies to do this.

This is what ive thought for a build:

Highs - 5x 150mm rails

Meds - 2x cap charges, mwd, tracking comps

Lows - thermic/kinetic hardeners, medium armor repair, mag stab (or swap to adaptive membrane?)

Rigs - 2x CCC, collision accelerator


Would this work? or should I go for blasters instead on my highs? And how about fighting Frigs, will this make it?

Any other suggestions?
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2014-02-04 09:30:19 UTC
- 150mm are frigate size guns and the Thorax gets no bonuses to them, so if you want to use rails then you will probably use 200mm. Also if you want to get up close and personal you'll want blasters, not rails. Generally though in PVE you're better off with rails
- I probably wouldn't fit MWD on low SP on a PVE cruiser, the fitting and cap issues are just too gnarly and you have a good chance of messing up your own tracking

You could use this as a base template to improve upon using meta 3-4 modules, it's a good start.

[Thorax, lvl 2 - newbie template]
Medium Armor Repairer I
Armor Thermic Hardener I
Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I

10MN Afterburner I
Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger I
Cap Recharger I

200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin I x5
Warrior I x5
Thea Cross
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-02-04 09:50:28 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
- 150mm are frigate size guns and the Thorax gets no bonuses to them, so if you want to use rails then you will probably use 200mm. Also if you want to get up close and personal you'll want blasters, not rails. Generally though in PVE you're better off with rails
- I probably wouldn't fit MWD on low SP on a PVE cruiser, the fitting and cap issues are just too gnarly and you have a good chance of messing up your own tracking

You could use this as a base template to improve upon using meta 3-4 modules, it's a good start.

[Thorax, lvl 2 - newbie template]
Medium Armor Repairer I
Armor Thermic Hardener I
Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I

10MN Afterburner I
Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger I
Cap Recharger I

200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin I x5
Warrior I x5



ok, so ditch the idea on the adaptive membrane and collision accelerator.

with your suggestion the closest i can get would be +/-10km, is there anything that could get me closer? anyway, i have no idea about the optimal ranges and fall off ranges for fully fitted bigger ships.

well basically what i wanted to do was just get in close, as close as I can then shoot them from under their noses, does that make any sense? because i've seen some action wherein a smaller cruiser just beat the crap off a BS, and to me they didnt look like they were more than 10km apart???

anyway thanks for the suggestion!
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#4 - 2014-02-04 10:09:31 UTC
Don't mix up PVE and PVP, the first fit you linked is most definitely a PVE fit and wouldn't stand a chance in PVP.


If you want to PVE then the extra range you get from rails is, generally, more useful than the extra damage you get from blasters. And trying to orbit one big target might make sense but you won't be able to orbit several targets at the same time so while you lowered incoming dps from one, the others still hurt and since you're now close to them they probably hurt a lot too.

If you want to PVP then you need to ditch that fit completely and you should probably get experience in frigates first. Partly because they're a lot cheaper to lose and mostly because they're awesome.
Kairavi Mrithyakara
#5 - 2014-02-04 14:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kairavi Mrithyakara
Firstly; Thorax is not a good choice for L3 missions. As far as Gallente cruisers go, Vexor is a better missioner, and can run L3s comfortably enough (better tank, can stay at long ranges, can do high DPS with drones).

If you're intent on running them with a gunboat, train up to Battlecruisers and get a Brutix. It mounts a much better tank.

Also, for missioning, you're better of sitting at range with rails. Chasing down things is more time consuming, as Gregor Parud pointed out.
Thea Cross
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-02-05 12:22:42 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Don't mix up PVE and PVP, the first fit you linked is most definitely a PVE fit and wouldn't stand a chance in PVP.


If you want to PVE then the extra range you get from rails is, generally, more useful than the extra damage you get from blasters. And trying to orbit one big target might make sense but you won't be able to orbit several targets at the same time so while you lowered incoming dps from one, the others still hurt and since you're now close to them they probably hurt a lot too.

If you want to PVP then you need to ditch that fit completely and you should probably get experience in frigates first. Partly because they're a lot cheaper to lose and mostly because they're awesome.



Forgive me if i did not state my intentions correctly, i wanted to fit the Thorax for PVP and maybe change fits for PVE. All along i had thought that the fit that i planned would be enought, and this is why i am here, to get good advise because im new at playing eve.

:)
Thea Cross
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-05 12:45:58 UTC
Kairavi Mrithyakara wrote:
Firstly; Thorax is not a good choice for L3 missions. As far as Gallente cruisers go, Vexor is a better missioner, and can run L3s comfortably enough (better tank, can stay at long ranges, can do high DPS with drones).

If you're intent on running them with a gunboat, train up to Battlecruisers and get a Brutix. It mounts a much better tank.

Also, for missioning, you're better of sitting at range with rails. Chasing down things is more time consuming, as Gregor Parud pointed out.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#8 - 2014-02-05 12:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Here's 3 fits to give you an idea what you should be looking for. You won't be able to fit them as such just yet but it gives you a starting point. There's more options than just these, obviously.

I will still state that you shouldn't look at cruisers for your first PVP experience, not because frigates are kinda like training wheels but because they're really good and cheap.

[Thorax, PVP Armor]
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


[Thorax, PVP Shield]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5



[Thorax, PVP Kite]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5