Missions & Complexes

Hey,

I've never used a minmatar ship for PvE till now. Always did missions with paladin and tengu. (two different missions). Today i thought of raising the standing for my minmatar char with the same agent. So she accompanied in a t2 800mm ac mael with my paladin to AE 4. Btw i mission in amarr space and this angel mission is after a looong time.

I expected it to be like tengu and took about 2000 RF fusion ammo which i expected to last me for quite few missions. Now i have to tell you guys, it was damn awesome. It was just tearing through npc's whenever they came in close. Even frigates are toast at 20kms. My masculine golden banana was reduced to salvaging duty (even though tachyons were hitting for 3000 a volley) as he just couldn't keep up with the ROF on Mael.

And here lies my question. I ran out of ammo in the second room. I have never run out of ammo before in any missions with tengu but i was so engrossed in the awesome power of 800AC's that i did not notice the rate at which they were burning through the ammo. I can't believe they will need 5000+ ammo for a decent lvl4. Or may be i am doing something wrong?

So all you machariel lover out there, how much ammo do you carry for a mission? I know it depends on the type but just give me an average. Or is there a technique to use it effectively? although i don't see how we can do that..

That'll be a pity though..

Rarely 3k rounds. Usually somewhere around 2k, up to 2.7k but I also do missions a tad slow at times... I pop buildings a bit.

I did AE4 last night with about 2.5k rounds, all rooms and buildings destroyed. Phased Plasma rounds.

I did the dread pirate scarlet and had to go get different ammo - EM was best for the bulk of the one I got -- more Amarr based hulls. That one, due to doing most of it with the wrong ammo, took around 3k rounds.

Yes, AC's are ammo pigs but also clear stuff very fast. I have more issues with targeting small ships fast enough vs anything about them getting in to close. I rarely use drones anymore.

the mach is the key reason why i love my nightmare.

4 crystals every 75+ missions.

if i used a mach ( which i can btw ) and i used 2k ammo every mission for arguments sake. that would be 150k rounds.. **** THAT!..

one thing i do like about the mach is... its a great bouncer... orca = 30km boing!!! hulk is about 40ish

Don't use faction. Usually keep around 5K ammo, missions specific. Yeah take all 4 and an omni tank for Scarlette a couple seconds switching rounds is worth the extra effective DPS. She is an ammo hog and I love her for it.

I think I burn through 3k rounds on a long mission in my Mach, but I really stopped paying attention. I don't bother with fancy ammo since it does chew it up so fast. Then again, I tend to chase down enemy ships while blasting away until I rear end them or they die. ('m overtanked I know, but I'm also cap stable with an XL shield recharge and the AB running, if I put in more damage mods I'd use less ammo). My Mach is just a really large frigate with drones.

-Mad

The mach is quite frankly the greatest mission boat ive ever flown. To answer the original question ive never needed more than 5k ammo for any mission. Anyway back to the mach, ive flown ravens, CNRS, Golems, Vargers, nightmares tengus and machs and by far the mach is king.

Ive switched to a mwd mach recently and added a little more dmg and now with hammerheads it spits out 1200dps, has a top speed of 1505m/s and alligns as fast as most bc's. It is so nice to be able to chase npcs but still get back to the gate really fast. And you can outrun the frigs as well warped into WC sansha version and hit the mwd a few frigs webbed me but my speed was such i got out of web range and took off, from their frigs were popped i 2 vollys max.

Its also so useful to be able to get into and out of range, had 9 sansha bs's beating on me realised my tank wasnt gonna manage and gunned it at 1500m/s till they couldnt hit me anymore. Shot from range till bs's were more managable then gunned it back in to finish em.

Think the think i love about the mach is its insane speed especially with a mwd, maybe im overegging it because i was so used to flying caldari bricks but in my opinion its the king of missions bar none.

@OP - Do you have all 7 guns in one group? If so you'll be wasting a lot of ammo.

My Mach alt uses one group of 4 guns, with the other three left ungrouped. That way I can allocate single/dual guns to closing frigs, the four-group on cruisers/BC's, and all of them on the BS.

I fiddled with grouping for a while before settliing on this as the best compromise between OP'ing on ammo and having to press F keys all the time :)

5000 ammo? And you compare that to the tengu? Seriously? Wasting WC would cost 2400 maybe 2800 if you dont have precision.

I do almost any mission with Rage at 500 to 2000 missiles. Skill up