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Request for info - Eve on linux on laptop (thinkpad t410) - worth attempting or terrible idea?
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Erik Decherie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-12-10 13:27:56 UTC
Hi all o/

I'm thinking about putting eve on a laptop - I had thought that this would be a terrible idea, but I've heard various people say that they run on laptops/macbooks so maybe....

The laptop will be a thinkpad t410 - is it likely to be worth trying or is this going to be a terrible idea / too old/ too slow/ too crap.

Reading the posts in this section Arch linux seems to be getting a good write up. I've used ubuntu in the recent past but dont like the newer interface so was thinking mint, not come across Arch before.

I guess the worst case would be I waste a few hours, but I thought it would be worth just asking if anyone has tried and had good or bad experiences.

thanks


RL is getting in the way a bit and I think if I get it all working on the laptop then I'll be able to put some much needed time in.
Elmore Jones
New Eden Mining Organisation
The Craftsmen
#2 - 2013-12-10 16:00:28 UTC
Looking at the specs, it should do ok if you don't want to fleet fight. You might get away with fleets on low settings and no brackets.

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Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-12-10 16:48:23 UTC
Main problem you'll have is the video card. It's integrated graphics, getting graphics drivers might be difficult in Linux, if it works at all. Sadly, in those edge configurations, I recommend Windows, only because you don't have to **** with the driver. If you already got it working in windows, feel free to try it out though. Popping in another hard drive temporarily to test it is easy enough.

I still recommend Ubuntu 12.04 LTS for the most part, since it's one of the most common installs out there. There is my HOWTO in this thread, with a tl;dr version at the end.
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#4 - 2013-12-10 17:23:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Torgeir Hekard
Don't know the specs.
But I did try to run EVE on an Ivy Bridge integrated videocard (i5-3317U), and it runs pretty good actually. And definitely playable until you try to run multiple clients. Didn't try fleet fights on it though.

Then again, T410 looks to be an old one. Shoud fit the SM3.0 requirement, but performance (and OpenGL version) is questionable.
Erik Decherie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-12-10 19:53:06 UTC
Thanks!


On that basis it has to be worth a try.

Elmore - I'm a noob so not yet into big fights

Kismetee - I take your point. If it bombs I'll see if I can get a hd caddy to swap out the dvd drive.

Torgeir - Interesting that you've done OK , it is an i5 so...


cheers all
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#6 - 2013-12-11 08:29:55 UTC
Erik Decherie wrote:
Torgeir - Interesting that you've done OK , it is an i5 so...

It is an i5, but there's a certain generation gap.
AFAIK there's an HD3000 requirement for the mac client. That's sandy bridge (the next generation). Not sure how it fares on the older i5s.
Taurendilis
Black Rats
#7 - 2013-12-13 11:30:45 UTC
I wouldn't be afraid of that, I'm not any computer expert or anything and I have problem to make my nvidia graphic card work on linux so I play EVE on my laptop on ubuntu 13 with more than 3 years old integrated graphic card (intel i3) Big smile although EVE is the only game I was able to make work on it. Its quite slow since rubicon but it still works.

And one more note if you don't like new ubuntu interface you can always install older one I was able to do that so I assume it should be no problem for you, just find one you like, install it (for example in my case it took only to type command "sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback" ) and choose it on login screen.
Erik Decherie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-12-16 21:44:28 UTC
Thats interesting.

Initial attempts didnt go well - using mint - which is almost ubuntu.

The launcher works but then nothing happens. Not had time to look into it in any real detail.
Thought it might be a driver issue, but the intel drivers seem broken - or at least I ended up chasing dependencies...
Elmore Jones
New Eden Mining Organisation
The Craftsmen
#9 - 2013-12-16 23:45:57 UTC
The launcher is very unreliable under wine, try running the main executable it can patch itself that way too :)

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Chks
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-01-08 19:42:23 UTC
My Dell E6420 is an older i5 and runs Eve client fine under Ubuntu and Wine, it needs you to force S3 on using the driconf tool to make the graphics look OK.

Problems : launcher doesn't work as the 'login boxes' don't appear and every time the game tries to patch it breaks.

I'll probably post separately for ideas on my patching problems tbh.

Chks
LeMorted'Authur
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-01-17 07:31:26 UTC
From a user point of view I don't see where you are better off with Mint, than Ubuntu. I agree about drivers but if I was to tried it in your case I would go with the OS with critical mass. Ubuntu has a lot more in its community working on fixes everyday. Where mint is (only my opinion and perception) is mostly a company that sells Laptops and streamlines code and drives to optimise its hardware offerings and sells.

Plus once you figure out how to use Ubuntu on your computer then you can change. Plus there is a lot of people on eve forums using Ubuntu so someone can help, hopefully.

Flying it like you stole it, because half of the others in eve have. 
Hulasikali Walla
Brave Nubs
#12 - 2014-01-17 11:01:17 UTC
Eve is working fine - not mutch details -on an old "Qosmio g40" ( NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8600M GT )
On linux mint petra.


Patching with the lawncher and starting game with the .exe
Cagot
Zendian Solutions
#13 - 2014-01-23 12:10:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Cagot
Laptops work well for me. My main EVE machine is a 17" ASUS laptop with NVIDIA 660M on Ubuntu 13.10, which does very well. I don't do fleet fights, but it has no trouble keeping up on busy missions and ice mining with huge skiff blobs with their drones out, on max graphics settings.

I got an intel-based Acer C720 Chromebook earlier this month: 2 gb RAM and 16 GB SSD. I used crouton to put Ubuntu 13.10 (saucy) and Wine 1.7.10 on it, and symlinked my .wine directory to the 32 GB outboard SD card. I had hoped to get enough EVE running to change my skills and maybe mine some ice, but to my astonishment I can play real EVE on it at low resolution with 30-50 fps, and it had no trouble keeping up with the level 4 mission "The Assault". The screen is 1366x768, and the onboard graphics is integrated Intel Haswell. Chatting and sound and the in-game browser and launcher and ship spinning all work fine. I get 2.5 hours of battery running EVE; 8-10 hours of battery just doing web browsing / editing / C compiling / program testing.

Great value for a $200 2.5-pound laptop!
Marsan
#14 - 2014-02-03 22:03:06 UTC
Don't trash the intel graphics too much. Intel has made huge strides in linux graphics support. That said you'll get better perf out of an Nvidia controller with their binary driver.

In term of linux versions I recommend Ubuntu as there is a large community of folks supporting, and the wine ppa makes it easy to stay on a current version of wine, which is key for Eve support under linux.

The real key is I recommend at least 4G of memory if you want to run multiple clients or a client with a browser, mumble, and the like.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.