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Gallente-Caldari Relations, Are They Improving?

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#241 - 2014-01-25 03:44:31 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.


Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.

I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice.


Where some would consider being named a Liberal an insult and pejorative; most Gallente appear to self-identify as subscribing to its principles.

Was that an answer? Or simply a prejudicial statement?


Both.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Ailer Stane
Doomheim
#242 - 2014-01-25 03:46:03 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.


Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.

I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice.

You'll quickly find that the voices doing the loudest crying over Ishukone... Aren't Ishukone. Moitte.

My comment was not a condemnation of what Ishukone is doing Ms. Ishikari, I do apologize if that was indeed your thought.

Ishukone would appear, from public statements and operational observations, to be both rational and pragmatic in their dealing related to the current geopolitical realities in relation to the Federation. In my humble opinion we could do with more of their kind of thinking.
Ailer Stane
Doomheim
#243 - 2014-01-25 03:56:53 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Both.

Then you are indeed a disciple of death.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#244 - 2014-01-25 04:04:22 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

It troubles me that the Gallente voices, even the angry ones have grown silent.


Ishukone remains vocal enough that it should placate your troubled heart.

I was unaware that Ishukone is considered a Gallente voice.

You'llso quickly find that the voices doing the loudest crying over Ishukone... Aren't Ishukone. Moitte.

My comment was not a condemnation of what Ishukone is doing Ms. Ishikari, I do apologize if that was indeed your thought.

Ishukone would appear, from public statements and operational observations, to be both rational and pragmatic in their dealing related to the current geopolitical realities in relation to the Federation. In my humble opinion we could do with more of their kind of thinking.

Not at all. I agree with you. My commentary is directed at those who simper about Ishukones efforts while simultaneously bringing nothing intelligent to the fore as an alternative. But then, the ends do always justify the means, according to those same parties, and Ishukone certainly managed to work their means to an end. Results speak for themselves, so I'm not surprised Ishukone hasn't bothered answering such impotent rhetoric.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Jace Sarice
#245 - 2014-01-25 04:04:44 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Now that's not what I said at all. In fact I don't see how you could possibly have taken that idea from what I wrote.


It is possible I read too much into your meandering questions.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#246 - 2014-01-25 04:08:50 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:

Then you are indeed a disciple of death.


One's life is but the preparation for one's death, Mr. Stane. And there exists no better death than martyrdom for the greater good and survival of one's people.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Ailer Stane
Doomheim
#247 - 2014-01-25 06:22:29 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

Then you are indeed a disciple of death.


One's life is but the preparation for one's death, Mr. Stane. And there exists no better death than martyrdom for the greater good and survival of one's people.

Martyr? An interesting choice of words. You cannot prepare for something you do not understand. But then it is often easier to die for something than to live for nothing. Being Intaki my perspective on the struggle of death or life differs from yours. Having made your choice I will take the advice of others and trouble you no further.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#248 - 2014-01-25 06:50:12 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

Then you are indeed a disciple of death.


One's life is but the preparation for one's death, Mr. Stane. And there exists no better death than martyrdom for the greater good and survival of one's people.

Martyr? An interesting choice of words. You cannot prepare for something you do not understand. But then it is often easier to die for something than to live for nothing. Being Intaki my perspective on the struggle of death or life differs from yours. Having made your choice I will take the advice of others and trouble you no further.


Hardly any trouble, Mr. Stane.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#249 - 2014-01-29 02:54:03 UTC
I feel that we are entering a state of De'tente. There seems to be less and less open hostility between our two nations and more of a cold war atmosphere. At least politically. While politicians and leaders and both sides seem to be content with keeping us angry at each other (after all, they are profiting from it), the populations of both nations are rather tired of being enemies.

Last weekend, I was in Callie (unfortunately) and saw some students wearing what appear to be slightly more fashionable versions of Caldari military dress. You could tell from the steel/blue color scheme, the utilitarian, yet elegant flavor, and how it was fairly form fitting without being overdone. Youngsters wearing Gallente military dress is fairly common, however Gallente military gear is either very revealing (because this is the Federation after all) or really flashy and bombastic, which commanded respect from lower ranks, but tends to be a homing beacon for snipers.

Gah! This is what happens when you visit Callie, you start becoming some hippie asteroid hugger! Since when did I care so much about fashion? Look at me for crying out loud!

But I digress, fashion is but one sign of easing relations. Getting across the border has been easier, and business deals with the other side aren't considered a sign of a spy ring.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Farsiris Arbosa
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#250 - 2014-02-01 22:26:13 UTC
Pffft. They might put on a pretty face for CONCORD news, but god knows the tension is far from over.

Look at my sig, my sig is amazing

Eric Roy
Die By The Sword
Burn the Boats
#251 - 2014-02-02 23:44:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Eric Roy
Perhaps. Despite the constant roving raid fleets in Essence and Black Rise, all-out warfare between the State and the Gallente is rather unlikely.

Of course, that is subject to change if a Gallente fanatic decides to die for his Federation. I've already seen some idiots on the Rise front pay dearly for it.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#252 - 2014-02-03 16:04:39 UTC
Gallenteans are bane of our existence. Under no circumstances Caldari should be related to them.
And the only way to improve the situation is to cease all remaining relations.
Only by delivering us from humiliation of gallentean influence we can ensure survival and bright future for our children.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#253 - 2014-02-03 19:59:30 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Gallenteans are bane of our existence. Under no circumstances Caldari should be related to them.
And the only way to improve the situation is to cease all remaining relations.
Only by delivering us from humiliation of gallentean influence we can ensure survival and bright future for our children.

Amen, we should just erase there existence from the galaxy.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#254 - 2014-02-03 21:28:13 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Gallenteans are bane of our existence. Under no circumstances Caldari should be related to them.
And the only way to improve the situation is to cease all remaining relations.
Only by delivering us from humiliation of gallentean influence we can ensure survival and bright future for our children.


Humanity has never benefited from inbreeding. In fact, quite the opposite is true. I picture future humanity with the strength & determination of the Caldari, the creativity & idealism of the Gallente, and the integrity & faith of the Amarr. Such an ideal can only be achieved through peace, and achieving such an ideal humanity would truly be a satisfying slap in the face to the Jovians, for true perfection is found in the mind & soul, not the DNA helix.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#255 - 2014-02-03 22:25:03 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
...I picture future humanity with the strength & determination of the Caldari, the creativity & idealism of the Gallente, and the integrity & faith of the Amarr...


Was the omission of the Minmatar in this future vision of yours an oversight or intentional?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#256 - 2014-02-03 22:41:16 UTC
Intentional, to my own disappointment as much as anyone elses'. I would indeed like to see them contribute something positive, but until I see evidence of that attempt being made then yes, I am leaving them out. Their own quasi-eugenics attitudes about the "importance" of "bloodlines," coupled with the unsavory methods used to enforce the "purity" of them, are the biggest hurdle that they would have to overcome to win over my opinion.

My niece is the daughter of an Amarrian noble (my sister, RIP) and a long line of freed-Brutor engineers (also RIP). My own husband (again RIP) was born in the Federation, a Gallente man who converted to the Amarrian Faith to win my hand. Sadly we did not have time to start a family before he, and the rest of these family members, were all brutally murdered during the Elder Fleet invasion. I was proud of my husband, I was proud of my sister, I was proud of my brother-in-law, and I am still blessed enough to still have my niece to be proud of.

"Race traitors" is the phrase I heard before the gunshots, and those who believe that "bloodlines" are what define who we truly are will never cease to sicken me.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#257 - 2014-02-03 23:18:00 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
Intentional, to my own disappointment as much as anyone elses'. I would indeed like to see them contribute something positive, but until I see evidence of that attempt being made then yes, I am leaving them out
well, there's alway there persistence and resourcefulness, I mean they can make space faring ships out of scrap metal and gum, imagine what they could do if they were to be given imagination and resourses. Big smile

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#258 - 2014-02-04 03:25:26 UTC
The Matari give the cluster cunning and and pride. Their strategy in any affair is true brilliance and never have I met a more proud people.

Diana Kim wrote:
Gallenteans are bane of our existence. Under no circumstances Caldari should be related to them.
And the only way to improve the situation is to cease all remaining relations.
Only by delivering us from humiliation of gallentean influence we can ensure survival and bright future for our children.


Part of me missed your lunacy.

A larger part of me did not.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#259 - 2014-02-04 05:12:17 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
Intentional, to my own disappointment as much as anyone elses'. I would indeed like to see them contribute something positive, but until I see evidence of that attempt being made then yes, I am leaving them out. Their own quasi-eugenics attitudes about the "importance" of "bloodlines," coupled with the unsavory methods used to enforce the "purity" of them, are the biggest hurdle that they would have to overcome to win over my opinion.

My niece is the daughter of an Amarrian noble (my sister, RIP) and a long line of freed-Brutor engineers (also RIP). My own husband (again RIP) was born in the Federation, a Gallente man who converted to the Amarrian Faith to win my hand. Sadly we did not have time to start a family before he, and the rest of these family members, were all brutally murdered during the Elder Fleet invasion. I was proud of my husband, I was proud of my sister, I was proud of my brother-in-law, and I am still blessed enough to still have my niece to be proud of.

"Race traitors" is the phrase I heard before the gunshots, and those who believe that "bloodlines" are what define who we truly are will never cease to sicken me.


And yet you are not sickened by what your masters did to an entire race? The millions that they summarily killed and the billions who they snatched from their homes, families, heritage, traditions and history?

I don't know what you and Luftschreck are on about but just because you suffered personally doesn't give you the right to continually come on here spreading your lies, half-truths and stupid stereotypes. Just who the hell are you to judge an entire civilization, anyway? Also, please tell me all about this eugenics program you've once again alluded to. The only people who ever ran such programs in our space were the Amarr. We have no purity of bloodline tests here and you should be ashamed for once again slandering us.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#260 - 2014-02-04 11:35:10 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Gallenteans are bane of our existence. Under no circumstances Caldari should be related to them.
And the only way to improve the situation is to cease all remaining relations.
Only by delivering us from humiliation of gallentean influence we can ensure survival and bright future for our children.

Amen, we should just erase there existence from the galaxy.

This, actually, could work.
But please take note, that it wasn't me, who suggested it!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.