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Drones Optimal/Falloff/Tracking with Omnidirectional Link Issue
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Emil Winko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-02-01 12:35:32 UTC
Hello there.
After tuesday patch and omnidirectional link modules nerf there is no way to check drones optimal,falloff range and tracking speed with omnis activated.
I send a ticket in game on tuesday but no reply to this day.
Is it going to be fixed or we need to calculate everything manually from now on ???
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#2 - 2014-02-01 13:07:00 UTC
No, clearly a bug that has been repeatedly posted about and acknowledged will never be fixed. CCP is actually stopping development altogether. Everybody just looked at that last big battle, decided EVE was done and won, and quit. In fact you'll shortly be booted off the forums, because who the **** is paying for those?
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-02-01 13:40:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Arsine Mayhem
The change:

copy Tracking Computer 1 -> Omnidirectional 1
copy Tracking Computer 2 -> Omnidirectional 2

Edit activation cost

done

So you take Omnidirectional 1 with 20% range and 20% tracking bonus and make it 5% range 10% tracking and add 10% falloff.

Omnidirectional 2 from 25% range and 25% tracking bonus and make it 7.5% range 15% tracking and add 15% falloff.

Scripted:

Omnidirectional 1 scripted tracking speed 25%, scripted optimal range 10% range and add 20% falloff

Omnidirectional 2 scripted tracking speed 30%, scripted optimal range 15% range and add 30% falloff

Falloff does not equal range and is a huge nerf. 15% range does not equal 2 mods with 25% range

Scripted tracking speed 30% does not equal 2 mods with 25%.

Fozzy stated that you'd be able to chose between range or tracking. He fails at math.
Azemar
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#4 - 2014-02-03 18:30:29 UTC
Was this intended to be a huge nerf? Because it is.

Domi with LMJD is no where near as effective anymore
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2014-02-03 18:40:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Azemar wrote:
Was this intended to be a huge nerf? Because it is.

Give them some credit, although they vastly understated the size of the nerf, specifically regarding faction omnis which had their realiatve value above t2 reduced by 80%.

CCP Fozzie wrote:
The fact that this decreases the overall power of Omnis (especially for gaining optimal range) is intended.

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Azemar
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#6 - 2014-02-03 18:53:47 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Azemar wrote:
Was this intended to be a huge nerf? Because it is.

Give them some credit, although they vastly understated the size of the nerf, specifically regarding faction omnis which had their realiatve value above t2 reduced by 80%).

CCP Fozzie wrote:
The fact that this decreases the overall power of Omnis (especially for gaining optimal range) is intended.



A huge understatement. Without scripts, they basically halved the effective optimal of sentry drones. This is a huge hindrance to players that use Sentries to simply outrange their opponents. It's almost better to mod for drones and medium slot for something else....
Inari Visas
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2014-02-03 19:33:07 UTC
^I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but since it's the case, use scripts? That, or I failed to detect the point in your post.

And I also hope the irony didn't go to waste.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#8 - 2014-02-03 20:15:09 UTC
Azemar wrote:
Was this intended to be a huge nerf? Because it is.

Domi with LMJD is no where near as effective anymore


Experiment with the scripts, and you will see it will work fine. Mine does.
Layla Firoue
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-02-03 20:42:47 UTC
Azemar wrote:
Was this intended to be a huge nerf? Because it is.

Domi with LMJD is no where near as effective anymore


Actually if you used LMJD and engaged from range you are not even that much affected.

If you use wardens II depending on range mix your scripts accordingly as in 2x optimal 1x tracking, bouncers work very well as well, curator need optimal x3 but have a higher natural tracking, the only sentry that is really affected by this is the garde II.

If you are used to MJD 100km away and engage from range your are losing next to no performance since tracking is not much of an issue. Just chose the right mix of scripts.
Reckless Ourtomineng
#10 - 2014-02-09 23:05:44 UTC
Layla Firoue wrote:
Azemar wrote:
Was this intended to be a huge nerf? Because it is.

Domi with LMJD is no where near as effective anymore


Actually if you used LMJD and engaged from range you are not even that much affected.

If you use wardens II depending on range mix your scripts accordingly as in 2x optimal 1x tracking, bouncers work very well as well, curator need optimal x3 but have a higher natural tracking, the only sentry that is really affected by this is the garde II.

If you are used to MJD 100km away and engage from range your are losing next to no performance since tracking is not much of an issue. Just chose the right mix of scripts.


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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#11 - 2014-02-10 00:40:27 UTC
Look, every time CCP touches drones they just make it worse. Best not to call attention to this small problem unless you want them to replace it with an even worse "solution."

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#12 - 2014-02-10 01:12:44 UTC
Read the dev's response to this mess.

His acknowledgement of this catastrophic mess was that "it is a bitter pill to swallow for some", then doubles down on how he knows better than the thousands screaming how drones are now totally wrecked in PvE, given how the same dev totally trashed heavies with the AI disaster.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2014-02-10 01:15:32 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
His acknowledgement of this catastrophic mess was that "it is a bitter pill to swallow for some", then doubles down on how he knows better than the thousands screaming how drones are now totally wrecked in PvE, given how the same dev totally trashed heavies with the AI disaster.

…and since drones are not wrecked, but work just fine (and since the AI changes didn't trash anything but just required people to update their tactics) he was right.

Also, overheating your drones is awesome.
djentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#14 - 2014-02-10 12:18:28 UTC
I have no issues with adapting to the new mechanics. That's part of playing EVE.

My issue - no way to check what kind of stats are being passed onto the drones via a tracking link. CCP, can we please acknowledge this is a rather huge issue (Stats on a weapon platform not updating as mods that affect the stats are used) and get this fixed with some priority?

I understand the bonus is being applied (at least I think it is, I have no way of actually checking) - but not being able to look at the numbers is rather frustrating.
Thats OK
Schmizle
#15 - 2014-02-10 12:37:18 UTC
I don't like the nerf but its not such a big problem for me.
What i hate about drones is that you have to use a third-party software to see what your drone range and tracking speed are.

They show one set of stats when in drone bay, other set of stats when they are out in space and using the omnidirectional with any script has no effect to any of them.
djentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#16 - 2014-02-10 15:22:42 UTC
Thats OK wrote:
I don't like the nerf but its not such a big problem for me.
What i hate about drones is that you have to use a third-party software to see what your drone range and tracking speed are.

They show one set of stats when in drone bay, other set of stats when they are out in space and using the omnidirectional with any script has no effect to any of them.


Yup. Come on CCP, can we at least get a "This is a known issue and we will address it at some point"? At least let us know you are aware of this problem. It's super annoying.
Notorious Fellon
#17 - 2014-02-10 16:15:16 UTC
djentropy Ovaert wrote:
Thats OK wrote:
I don't like the nerf but its not such a big problem for me.
What i hate about drones is that you have to use a third-party software to see what your drone range and tracking speed are.

They show one set of stats when in drone bay, other set of stats when they are out in space and using the omnidirectional with any script has no effect to any of them.


Yup. Come on CCP, can we at least get a "This is a known issue and we will address it at some point"? At least let us know you are aware of this problem. It's super annoying.


I am fairly certain Fozzie acknowledged this in the F&I thread on this same topic.

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