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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#61 - 2014-02-03 10:30:37 UTC
OK, so yes I agree in part. However how are you going to achieve this?

Remember that you can have as many alts as you like effectively. You get 3 chars per account, 2 of those you can constantly recycle as alts. Or when you leave a corp you go into a npc corp. So you will always get older players entering the chat channel, which of course is your problem.

So how are you going to stop them, if you just create another channel? You say you want a channel for noobies (there is one 0 rookie channel, but you eventually stop becoming a rookie and get moved out) But in the same manner you want people who want to help others, which means you will get older players, err you cant have it both ways.

The simple fact is there are a ton of numbskulls and bottom feeders in eve. and there is a great tool for that its called the BLOCK BUTTON - i suggest you use it, and you will never ever hear from those people again.. ingenious eh?

Have a nice day..

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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#62 - 2014-02-03 10:36:18 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
You want to know a big reason people who try the game aren't staying? Here's a simple, obvious one that nobody seems to notice: putting new players in the same chat channel as all the worst/dumb/antisocial players is a bad idea.


This is incorrect. All of the worst/dumb/antisocial players are in GoonSwarm P

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2014-02-03 11:08:05 UTC
Kharamete wrote:

Then you can make the second tier NPC corps dec-able.


heh, dream on, CCP likes their subs

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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-02-03 11:34:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
captain foivos wrote:
You want to know a big reason people who try the game aren't staying? Here's a simple, obvious one that nobody seems to notice: putting new players in the same chat channel as all the worst/dumb/antisocial players is a bad idea. NPC corp players tell people to go mine and run missions 24/7 and compared to the general eve population have about zilcho idea of what they're doing. So, of course, the first channel a new player sees is filled with these bottom-of-the-barrel numbskulls.

Delete NPC corp chat and find a suitable replacement that puts new players in a channel with new players and people who will actually help them. Don't expose them to the horrible brain-plague that is NPC corp chat if you want them to stay. Failing that, simply kick characters older than 3 months out of the initial NPC corp chat channel and put them in another one.

New players aren't going to stick around if they get told to simultaneously shield, armor, and hull tank their ships, or that mining veldspar in highsec for the equivalent of 4 cents an hour is a legitimate "profession" (christ will you STOP ADVERTISING THIS), or to mix their guns so they can hit everything, or that they'll get blown up horribly and have no fun in lowsec or nullsec. But that's exactly what the vast majority of people in NPC corp chat say is how the game works.

You gotta be one of the dumbest people ever. NPC Corp chat is mostly full of ALTS who have been playing for years. My alts in an NPC corp see very few "Mains" there. Get stuffed...


Mr Epeen wrote:
Well, it has been years since I had a character in an NPC corp for anything other than SP farming for sale.

But back in the day, they used to be a hoot. I remember organizing CAS roams where we all died but had a riot doing it. People would give solid advice and modules to help out other players, invite newbies into missions to salvage and help out with the tutorial missions or whatever else people needed help with. In other words, it was a good place to learn the game.

I guess that's all changed now along with so much else in the game.

It really hasn't changed that much in Caldari Provisions I am an alt and I routinely help people. A lot of time with ISK. One week, I lent 3 different strangers 500 Million ISK each to help them get a PLEX before their time expired. I knew it was a risk, but I didn't care. Every single one of them paid me back within a week.
I routinely pass out Drakes and Noctis to people. I know for a fact I have helped keep people in the game by my actions, they tell me years later.
I've been playing solo for years, in my NPC Corp I get to chat, help and occassionally go out and help a struggling pilot complete a mission he is stuck on. I don't want to be in a corp because I'm sick of the politics. I do very much miss being in Null though. Maybe some day I'll try to join a corp but I'm not interested in going through a bloody multitude of questions just to get in a corp.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-02-03 11:55:40 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
I recall at some point there was some talk about NPC corps from CCP, I don't remember the source, I believe it was one of the CSM meeting minute releases over the years, in which they were under the same impression as the op. Then they actually spent some time there and found that to not be the case. I've never seen many of the examples commonly touted as the norm, and on the occasions the ones I have seen are posted, they are usually corrected in short order.

And really, if you think it that much of an issue, anyone with an open character slot is free to jump in and do something about it.



the ones that are loosing money are CCP. they are the ones that need to do it.

Just make a new character and check. It does not pass 20 minutes without someone sayign you should NEVEr go to low sec.. or that you should NEVER make your own corp or shoudl NEVER join a player corp.. all to avoid the terrible griefers.
Look again at my corp. CCP didn't find what you are talking about in abundance. Nor do I. I do see it happen to some degree at times, but I also see people talking about what they are doing in lowsec at that point in time and are enjoying it. Or giving a play by play of a fight involving another FNA member they are spectating, then congratulating them on the win. I see sound fitting advised far more often than bad advise, and I see more people already in player corps say noobs shouldn't create corps due to their lack of game knowledge here on the forums than I do in NPC chat.



Since my post and now... in gallente noob corp where i still have an alt... 5 times already someone said those things. Extend that to whoel day and will be like 100 times per day... now.. if onece every 50 times a player beleives in that.. you have hundreds of players per year spoiled of the true game.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#66 - 2014-02-03 11:57:27 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Because people in NPC corps give bad advice, like "you can't trust anyone in EVE", "it's better to play solo", "PVP is for griefers", etc.

Sorry, but this is priceless coming from a Goon, who's alliance is one of the biggest responsible for creating the atmosphere where you can't trust anyone because they could be a spy/scammer/awoxing alt. Look in the mirror first, realise how much you contribute to the trust problem, and think about how to change your own corp/alliance first before going on a crusade against NPC corps.


Would those be the same Goons who are extremely newbie-friendly and have a wealth of quality information available on their wiki that ensures those same newbies get off to a fantastic start?

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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-02-03 12:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Kharamete wrote:
Then you can make the second tier NPC corps dec-able.

Thers's a good way to drive people to quit...

Let's wardec a group of unorganized players with no real leader, many of them broke and unwilling to risk their 1 ship to fight in a war with a bunch of others who might actually be alts of the Corp that is doing the war dec? This toon has no skills, and no ability to fight. I exist for the sole purpose of being able to chat in SWA. I don't think I have ever even undocked him once and I routinely destroy and recreate him just to shake off all those stupid bounties.

Just an incredibly stupid idea, war-deccing NPC corps at all...
Willie Horton
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-02-03 12:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Willie Horton
When ever I started some new MMO game I never ever payed attention to generic chat such as local ,region ,faction etc.I dod same when I started playing EVE .There is no difference from those and NPC chat.Forums .blogs and tons of video material is mostly what player use to get to know game ,not some random guy that is writing nonsense in NPC chat.
Imo NPC chat is last thing that is driving players from game ,there is so many other things that new players have hard time to accept .
Also knowing that EVE players have great amout of alts ,well in that cause we are to blame for endless trolling there.But some people like that and you cant to nothing about it .
I know it will sound funny now but Halp chat and Rookie chat was thing that I really liked when I started two years ago.I didnt saw that in other games and that asap made me like game more,cause even as complete new guy I had fast option to solve my problem in game with simply asking question.
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-02-03 12:23:54 UTC
Willie Horton wrote:
Stuff...

Wut ???
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#70 - 2014-02-03 13:02:21 UTC
It differs per NPC corp, I have several characters (including this one) still in their initial starter corp. Some are quiet, some are filled with Russians, some are very trollish and shouty, some are actually helpful, some are great to have meaningful conversations.


Having said that I would agree to a NPC corp change forcing people out of hiding. How about this idea?

- first 3 months (max) a character is in a true NPC starter corp that can't be decced, if you join a player corp and then leave it again you default back to this true starter NPC corp
- after 3 months you get put into the base FW corp, if you join a player corp and leave it you get put back into this one.

So true newbie characters are "safe" and even when they leave a player corp they'll be put back into it. Once a character is 3 months old he's "promoted" into active service, the generic FW corp. Only by joining a corp (or starting your own) can this be avoided.
Iso47
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-02-03 13:19:46 UTC
I can't agree more with you OP that the NPC corp chat should be removed. You get these bitter people that are anti-social to
the max and have no idea how to get along socially with others. It get's to the point of impossible stupidity, its ridiculous. Sometimes I don't even want to make an alt just to avoid the NPC corp chat Attention
Anslo
Scope Works
#72 - 2014-02-03 13:39:53 UTC
Because it's not like NPC Corps have inside groups that teach noobs or anything or pvp or organize groups and enter tourny's or launch campaigns or something.

That'd be silly.

And for those of you who don't get sarcasm, not mah problem.

Real Talk: SOME chats might be bad. Not all. I can tell you right ******* now that The Scope and CAS are better than any player corp I've been in. You don't like that statement? You're more than welcome to come try to shut us up.

Please.

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Linna Baresi
#73 - 2014-02-03 13:47:33 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Remove corp chat and you are left with the tutorials which teach you what? To mine and run missions.

No; it's a social game and needs social interaction. There is good advice given along with the bad. It's part of the learning curve to figure out which is which.

Mr Epeen Cool
In most, there is no social interaction. Spread across the few starter chats, there's mostly silence or vets talking and giving stupid advises. local in starter systems often isn't better. The NPE is crap. It's not what it contains, but how it works. And it doesn't correct lots of false assumptions people have about the game when they start.


Well, it has been years since I had a character in an NPC corp for anything other than SP farming for sale.

But back in the day, they used to be a hoot. I remember organizing CAS roams where we all died but had a riot doing it. People would give solid advice and modules to help out other players, invite newbies into missions to salvage and help out with the tutorial missions or whatever else people needed help with. In other words, it was a good place to learn the game.

I guess that's all changed now along with so much else in the game. CCP has been pushing the 'Join EVE-be a ****' part of the game for so long that it's now an integral part of the NPC corp experience as well. Might be time to show EVE as the sandbox it can be, instead of a place for griefers banned from every other MMO to come and do their thing.

Then you might have a decent NPC corp experience again just like the old days.

Removing corp chat is not the right thing to do, in my opinion.

Mr Epeen Cool


CAS is still like that, lot of people helping with all sorts of play styles... nullsec and all. This toon is in FNA, though and ... let's just say I avoid that chat. I

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#74 - 2014-02-03 15:43:36 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
It differs per NPC corp, I have several characters (including this one) still in their initial starter corp. Some are quiet, some are filled with Russians, some are very trollish and shouty, some are actually helpful, some are great to have meaningful conversations.


Having said that I would agree to a NPC corp change forcing people out of hiding. How about this idea?

- first 3 months (max) a character is in a true NPC starter corp that can't be decced, if you join a player corp and then leave it again you default back to this true starter NPC corp
- after 3 months you get put into the base FW corp, if you join a player corp and leave it you get put back into this one.

So true newbie characters are "safe" and even when they leave a player corp they'll be put back into it. Once a character is 3 months old he's "promoted" into active service, the generic FW corp. Only by joining a corp (or starting your own) can this be avoided.


I'll second this motion. It's pretty much exactly the same thing as I proposed in another thread the other day as part of my plan to fix wardecs. The only difference is that I would only give them 30 days in the starter corp.

Any reasonable person has to admit that the poisonous influence of lifelong carebears in starter corp chat is one of the biggest obstacles to new player retention. Yes, some starter corps are better than others. CAS, in particular, is a great example of how a determined group of players can make something out of nothing, but CAS is the exception, not the rule, and even they have their fair share of bad influences, since there is no way for them to boot people.

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Notorious Fellon
#75 - 2014-02-03 15:47:27 UTC
Not sure what NPC corp chat you are in, but it sure isn't Amarr.

Last time I was in Amarr it was a wealth of information regarding all aspects of the game. Removing it would be foolish.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Austin McLaren
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2014-02-03 15:57:50 UTC
Republic military school is an excellent nub corp.
Full of vets giving good advice, of course you do get the old timers who give **** advice but they are fun to troll.

I used to dish out isk to worthy noobs gave away billions and many are still playing eve and helping other noobs because of my help.

Getting rid of the chat is a stupid idea.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2014-02-03 16:07:33 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Not sure what NPC corp chat you are in, but it sure isn't Amarr.

Last time I was in Amarr it was a wealth of information regarding all aspects of the game. Removing it would be foolish.



Ok so at least those 4 chats shoudl be HEAVILY moderated by a ccp employee that dismiss messages that will amkea player quit the game or destroy their experience.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#78 - 2014-02-03 16:08:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Kick players from starter corp after 1 month. If the 5-year-old basement dwellers want to sit in the non-rookie NPC corp, let them do that. But keep them away from actual new players, for at least the first month.

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Doomheim
#79 - 2014-02-03 16:13:32 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Kick players from starter corp after 1 month.

THIS.

THIS, a thousand times THIS. At MINIMUM though increase NPC corp taxes to 50%+, I am nothing if not flexible....

Combine it with having a one-week stasis period for leaving a corp under (or pending) war declaration and you are really talking.

Would you like to know more?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#80 - 2014-02-03 16:16:53 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:

- first 3 months (max) a character is in a true NPC starter corp that can't be decced, if you join a player corp and then leave it again you default back to this true starter NPC corp
- after 3 months you get put into the base FW corp, if you join a player corp and leave it you get put back into this one.

First part is good. But second part has problems, like being a huge potential PITA to people that just want an alt, or want to be out of corp for a few days, or whatever.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.