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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#21 - 2014-02-02 22:16:24 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Delete NPC corps.



Fixed that for you.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#22 - 2014-02-02 22:22:31 UTC
Pius Rova wrote:
a forum alt sitting in State War Academy wrote:
Grr npc corps are bad and full of trolls and alts of trolls and alts of people who make alts to do any thing they don't want their main character out in nullsec to be held accountable for and people who just want to do their thing in highsec without worrying about wardecs and awoxxers and CCP should remove them and just stick all the new players in EVE University and grrrr!
Not all npc starter corps are as bad as SWA, some are actually very helpful towards new players (Center for Advanced Studies is great example). Maybe your bad experience with npc starter corps has more to do with the one your forum alt is sitting in and less to do with them in general?


He's been nearly four years in SWA so he must really, really like it.

One can only conclude that this is a stealth nerf something thread. Not quite sure what though.

Mr Epeen Cool
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#23 - 2014-02-02 22:24:12 UTC
Pius Rova wrote:
Not all npc starter corps are as bad as SWA, some are actually very helpful towards new players ...
Even SWA isn't as bad as OP makes it sound. My biggest annoyance is the "helpful" peope who are just there to show off how much they know while quoting stuff they googled a week ago, but their advice is still mostly sound. Contrary to telling newbies to mix guns and tanks as the OP suggests, what I've seen is "experts" so anal about mixing guns they'll have a screaming fit if a new player mixes 2 meta levels of the same weapon type OF THE SAME FREAKING CALIBRE.

Who put the goat in there?
Pius Rova
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-02-02 22:39:41 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Contrary to telling newbies to mix guns and tanks as the OP suggests, what I've seen is "experts" so anal about mixing guns they'll have a screaming fit if a new player mixes 2 meta levels of the same weapon type OF THE SAME FREAKING CALIBRE.
Amarr really shield tank and Minmatar ships can use lasers if you fit enough capacitor modules, true story.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#25 - 2014-02-02 22:43:57 UTC
It takes all of about 30 seconds to find new player friendly, educational corps to join. Groups like Brave Newbies, RvB (Red v Blue), EvE University and (I hate to admit it) New Order. So while I agree with the OP that NPC Corp chat is crap, why would anyone want to stay in a NPC corp past the first week?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-02-02 22:49:19 UTC
Almethea wrote:
eve have a social parts?

For those that actually bother being involved, very much so.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-02-02 22:59:25 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
It takes all of about 30 seconds to find new player friendly, educational corps to join. Groups like Brave Newbies, RvB (Red v Blue), EvE University and (I hate to admit it) New Order. So while I agree with the OP that NPC Corp chat is crap, why would anyone want to stay in a NPC corp past the first week?

Because people in NPC corps give bad advice, like "you can't trust anyone in EVE", "it's better to play solo", "PVP is for griefers", etc.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-02-02 23:01:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
It takes all of about 30 seconds to find new player friendly, educational corps to join. Groups like Brave Newbies, RvB (Red v Blue), EvE University and (I hate to admit it) New Order. So while I agree with the OP that NPC Corp chat is crap, why would anyone want to stay in a NPC corp past the first week?

Because people in NPC corps give bad advice, like "you can't trust anyone in EVE", "it's better to play solo", "PVP is for griefers", etc.
Absolutely this!

The only thing worse than this are crappy new player corps who have exactly these people in them. New players join these just to be left alone again. Killing these off, while educating said new players about it, is actually a good thing.

And I would never put eveuni onto that list ...


And yet, CCP has NO clue about this and we fail to tell them, it seems...

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#29 - 2014-02-02 23:42:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
It takes all of about 30 seconds to find new player friendly, educational corps to join. Groups like Brave Newbies, RvB (Red v Blue), EvE University and (I hate to admit it) New Order. So while I agree with the OP that NPC Corp chat is crap, why would anyone want to stay in a NPC corp past the first week?

Because people in NPC corps give bad advice, like "you can't trust anyone in EVE", "it's better to play solo", "PVP is for griefers", etc.


While I can't disagree with you in principal, that is exactly the public perception of this game well before anyone even signs up for a trial.

It's not NPC corps that are screwing everything up. It's CCP.

They love being the 'bad boy' MMO. But there are only so many bad boys that want to play a game like this and then they run out of new players. I think it might be time for them to reassess how they push this game. Try to show something positive to the gaming media and not just corp thefts and griefing.

The poor quality of NPC corps is a symptom, not the disease.

Mr Epeen Cool
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-02-02 23:44:27 UTC
Dumping cute wide-eyed newbies into the bitter vet retirement home that is NPC corp chat so that they can be condescended and trolled until they bail right back out of the game again is a pretty terrible state of affairs.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#31 - 2014-02-02 23:53:43 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Because people in NPC corps give bad advice, like "you can't trust anyone in EVE", "it's better to play solo", "PVP is for griefers", etc.

Sorry, but this is priceless coming from a Goon, who's alliance is one of the biggest responsible for creating the atmosphere where you can't trust anyone because they could be a spy/scammer/awoxing alt. Look in the mirror first, realise how much you contribute to the trust problem, and think about how to change your own corp/alliance first before going on a crusade against NPC corps.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#32 - 2014-02-02 23:55:23 UTC
CAS is fine.

The gallente "indy" startup corp runs regular roams into syndicate, has special combat days where they get lots of players into the roam, has a base in syndicate and a part time jump freighter service to syndicate, and you can join their combat channel, and x up for fighting - as well as having another channel dedicated to making highsec mining ops, and has a rorq for standings free jumpclones.

FNA was always pretty sickly in comparison.

Anomaly One
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-02-03 00:01:33 UTC
The only good NPC chat is in Pator tech School, I regret ever leaving it, very quiet and helpful people won't push you to do anything and they helped out a lot, but then I deleted that character and made a gallente in FNA and holy hell.. on day one I made my own corp to escape it.

Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#34 - 2014-02-03 00:02:01 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Dumping cute wide-eyed newbies into the bitter vet retirement home that is NPC corp chat so that they can be condescended and trolled until they bail right back out of the game again is a pretty terrible state of affairs.


You can't retire into a starter corp.

Mr Epeen Cool
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-02-03 00:53:40 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
The only good NPC chat is in Pator tech School, I regret ever leaving it, very quiet and helpful people won't push you to do anything and they helped out a lot, but then I deleted that character and made a gallente in FNA and holy hell.. on day one I made my own corp to escape it.



I have a few alts that have been left in starter schools and some are good and some are absolutely horrible.

From my experience the worst schools in terms of support and providing a friendly starter environment are Caldari and the best are some of the Minmitar and Gallente. Pator is good, so is Caille University.

Some school communites even organise begginner fleet actions and offer mining boosts for free whilst others sem to be full of gankers and scammers. Not all NPCschools are the same.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-02-03 01:08:16 UTC
So, OP how much did you get scammed for?

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
ashley Eoner
#37 - 2014-02-03 02:08:37 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
You want to know a big reason people who try the game aren't staying? Here's a simple, obvious one that nobody seems to notice: putting new players in the same chat channel as all the worst/dumb/antisocial players is a bad idea. NPC corp players tell people to go mine and run missions 24/7 and compared to the general eve population have about zilcho idea of what they're doing. So, of course, the first channel a new player sees is filled with these bottom-of-the-barrel numbskulls.

Delete NPC corp chat and find a suitable replacement that puts new players in a channel with new players and people who will actually help them. Don't expose them to the horrible brain-plague that is NPC corp chat if you want them to stay. Failing that, simply kick characters older than 3 months out of the initial NPC corp chat channel and put them in another one.

New players aren't going to stick around if they get told to simultaneously shield, armor, and hull tank their ships, or that mining veldspar in highsec for the equivalent of 4 cents an hour is a legitimate "profession" (christ will you STOP ADVERTISING THIS), or to mix their guns so they can hit everything, or that they'll get blown up horribly and have no fun in lowsec or nullsec. But that's exactly what the vast majority of people in NPC corp chat say is how the game works.
I have no idea what chat you're referring to but the two npc chats I'm in has comments from newbies on a daily basis about how much more helpful corp chat is then the newbie channel. The problem with the newbie channel is that there are too many people there including trolls and non trolls.
Lister Vindaloo
5 Tons of Flax
#38 - 2014-02-03 02:28:00 UTC
Starter corp chat is only as helpful as the other people in it, like any corp chat. CAS is excellent but has its trolls as well, maybe stop whining and offer help yourself?

I do like the idea of random NPC corp war decs though, might give a few more opportunities for PvP for newbro's, just make them relatively short, 2-7 days and you've got my vote, but seriously leave corp chat alone
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-02-03 02:35:50 UTC
CAS is great and actually has a small, yet active PVP group. Most of the other NPC corps are crap though.

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Mistress Rose
Defensores Fidei
#40 - 2014-02-03 03:49:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mistress Rose
I'll have to agree with the above statements. NPC chat, especially Perkone, is kinda meh at best. I find local chat in newbie systems is really not much better.

However, after spending a few hours in Jouvulen (I was mining a Ladar site), I realized there really are quite a number of people just getting their start in Eve Online. I actually had one newb I got to know a bit. He really wanted to learn and genuinely seemed to want to grow with the game. We managed to fleet up, do some game mechanics crap, and he got some cash a few modules and probably a lifetimes worth of priceless advice.

I think the answer going forward is some type of mentoring program, or "ask a vet" program.
Head over to F&I and read my new suggestion there.

/mr