Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ive said it before, and ill say it again:

The day a group of 12 year olds with mommies pilfered credit card can bypass all the defenses of a heavily tanked ship and take or destroy it with absolutely no way of defending it, is the day you will know the true meaning of mass unsubs.

So no Isk is lost for the console kiddie? Wrong. There is loss, there are officer weapons, high value suits and many many losses if a squad of people get hit by an orbital.

Your millions (for a dread) really don't count for much if the introduction of an announced change to game mechanics don't allow you enough warning to make friends with some of the people you say you don't like. If it takes you till structure to save a ship then surely you can stifle the tears somewhat if some console kiddie gets launched out of a ship, most likely destroyer class, at your ship to board it and needs to fight their way through other console kiddies to evict you from it. I really don't know how CCP would plan on implementing this idea, sounds interesting to me though from a perspective of playing both games.

Basically if you are really that asleep that you can't stop a destroyer maybe you should stay a little frostier. TBH it is just another weapon suggestion for all your talk of a fail idea you really seem to have no argument that argues against another weapon being shot at your ship. This is all this is.

FYI: Except for carriers, no capital ship can use drones (Fighters and Fighter Bombers are not drones... they are in a separate class).

And I would never bring in people I don't trust or have any stake in the battle to defend my capital ship... even in EVE.
If I am forced to do so, I might as well self destruct and consider the whole thing a total loss (because that's what it is tantamount to).


Your ignorance of capitals is showing.

One on one... no capital ship (except maybe a carrier and possibly a supercarrier if the foe is a battleship) can kill any sub-capital ship. A battleship can actually speed tank a Dreadnought or Titan just by moving.
Of course... no sub-capital ship can kill a capital ship one on one (or even 3 on 1). Capital tanks are simply too massive** And Supercapitals can't be tackled by anything other than an Interdictor or Heavy Interdictor (both of which can't even put out enough damage to break the shield recharge of an armor tanked capital).

For these reasons and their prices, very few use capital ships in combat without a lot of trusted sub-capital support (who can bring their best to bear) and/or overwhelming capital back-up.
At least when you lose a capital ship now you know exactly who/what to blame and can make adjustments accordingly. You can't do that against FPS people who play irregularly and don't have any loyalty or stake in the battle.

** NOTE: a standard Triage-fit Carrier can tank about 1000-1500 damage per second normally and 10-12,000 dps in Triage Mode... a dual-rep Dreadnought can self repair 1300-1500 dps normally and 12-15,000 dps in Siege Mode... and two Supercarriers in a remote repair configuration can easily tank 10,000+ dps plus an additional 10,000 dps for each additional supercarrier than joins in.



Fighters are terrible as they can only hit battleships and maybe battlecruisers. Hell... they can barely even hit a stationary frigate.

So if the boarding module were only able to fit on a Capital you would be okay with this then? I am assuming only a Cap pilot would want to fly a Cap in the first place.

Yes, "completely bypassing it's defences" with "no chance at all for the POS owner to defend their stuff in any way, shape or form" would be a stupid mechanic. That's not what's on the table, though; the guy you quoted specifically said it wouldn't be that way.

I'd imagine that a DUST raid would be used like this: a POS that is vulnerable (has been reinforced) is now a target for troops, which can be hired to attack the station. If the raid is unsuccessful, then the battle proceeds lie it normally would, with ships destroying or saving the POS like they usually would. If it succeeds, however, then its status becomes 'compromised'. A compromised POS functions identically to a reinforced and vulnerable POS... except that when it is reduced to structure, it offlines itself, and all of its modules and contents may be scooped by anyone.

This is not a huge change... you've still got basically all the opportunity to defend the thing as you had before (the defence offered by the structure points of a POS is practically nonexistent, after all), and if you manage to defend and restront the POS, all is well. Furthermore, if you lose, remember that your POS would normally drop loot anyway; the difference here is that more loot is saved, along with the POS structures themselves (note that there are already conditions under which POS modules can be reclaimed from ordinary POS battles). It would, however, be a thing that would be desirable for attackers to do, and similarly desirable for defenders to prevent, so you might want to put some sum of ISK in an account tied to your tower to automatically hire defenders at need, in the same way as you'd leave stront in a bay to automatically reinforce your POS shields.

right now a syphon unit steals stuff and completely bypasses a POS's defences.

use ur imagination.

as mentioned before, the POS having to already be in a weakened state could be a requirement, and so can having the attacking sides spare clones come from a deployable that must be anchored near the POS. it can be shot, and significantly impair the attacking forces chances if lost.

Theres also someones idea that id read about marines acting as bots on dust 514. not impotent bots, but not difficult to outsmart either. Or the drones i think they plan to have as bots in dust, could be manufactured in eve and used as automated sentries in POS's, stations, PI or whatever u need.

What about dusties targetting specific POS modules at a time? some e-war turrets have massive HP, and shutting them down or destroying them with a dusty fight could be a better alternative that doesn't take out the entire POS with one fell swoop. Also targeting specific hardeners to increase capsuleer damage to the POS. Not every POS is torn down with capital guns.

Not having dust buddies shouldn't be an automatic loss, but having dust buddies could well put u at an advantage over those who don't. Adapt or die?