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Does anyone at CCP or on the CSM actually give a **** about these? They have been in an embarrassing state for years, and thanks to the introduction of factional warfare, they're not even that profitable anymore, especially not with the amount of risk involved.

Last time I tried asking a CSM dude (I think it was Ali Aras), his answer was quite literally 'I don't know and I don't care'.

Great to see literally nobody gives a flying **** about this stuff at all. I guess if none of the CSM'ies are into it, it is never going to see the light of day as a discussion point.

Judging by recent development cycles- in order to receive lotsa love a function or feature must be located in highsec

To receive nerfs, a function or feature needs to be in 0.0

And to be ignored completely: lowsec or wormhole

Level 5's are fine.

They are run a lot. You can solo them in caps, or 2-3 man subcap gangs (alts usually), and make a metric ton of isk doing it.

Ofc you need a good intel network, a sound exit plan and friends who can back you up if someone talented comes for your shiny mission running ship.

They are extremely profitable if you know how to maximize your isk.

Running them effectively requires good support, good knowledge of mechanics, a sound strategy, good intel and at times teamwork. It also presents a high level of risk.

Extracting large levels of isk from them requires certain skillpoint investments, and some good knowledge of how to maximize market profits from converted LP items.

Working as intended imo. The people who are running them aren't terribly vocal about how they do it because well, we put the cycles into figuring them out, you didn't.

WTB Level 5 pirate faction missions

Missions have some important differences to Incursions. For instance they're infinitely repeatable in a specific area and there's no element of direct competition.

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Level 5 in their current state are quite "fun" to play somehow, due to the challenges involved and the need to priorize targets.
Given the isks involved and the fact that in practice you often need to travel multiple populated systems to get your mission done, they could certainly use a slight buff in their income (in the form of LPs, not direct isks !), but please do not make them easier please

All missions need a rebalance pass, after a new player gets up to level 3 the difference between that and level 4 is a GIANT leap.

As for level 5 being in losec only nowadays plus you have to fit pve gear to meet the npc's in a losec environment, yeah that's asking for it.

I rather see level 5 as new hisec group content to be enjoyed like incursion sites, which you can not solo, but for teams up to 5 size.
Or as a better reward than lvl 4's but you got do also be able to fit for pvp, maybe make them very tech 3 cruiser (after that balance) friendly.

For example a level 4 sacrilege (tech 2 heavy assault crusier) usefull in losec:

[Sacrilege]
Damage Control II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized EM Membrane II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Salvager II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

Hammerhead II x5

Unfortunately as with usual with CCP they fix stuff to bring more people into more content but as with level 5's you have less people doing them and they have been forgotten apart from the hard core who are yes making lots of money because they have the systems tied up with blues/intel/help if needed.

As with everything in this game there are a fairly sizeable amount of people who will never leave high-sec so you can take away whatever you want to try and force them but unfortunately this just won't work.

Lvl 5's are very profitable if you belong to the clique that run them 24/7 but if your not just run FW in a frigate.

All missions and most certainly low sec missions need to be looked at. The lower level missions will not support a young player who wishes to take the path of an outlaw. CCP has a diagram on their website and 'pirate' is one of the paths listed. Why do level 4's in low sec when you can do them in high sec without someone trying to hunt you down and kill your mission boat? Level 5's are cherry picked due to the environment that they are in and the effort that goes into doing them. This often means, "we're out of missions for today".

I've submitted several bug reports for broken level 5 missions. There are some with broken gates and broken drops. For the amount of energy these missions require to do they are in a sad state if missions are broken for years.

They do require a foothold in the area or just being smart. My corporation lives in a L5 station and that does not stop others from doing the missions. They avoid us as we try to hunt them down and other's try to hunt us down when we are out there. An aggressive group can deny another from their mission or cause a response fleet which leads to PvP. In a way, they are one of the few interesting things to give a corporation a reason to settle in and live in a system in non low sec. This should be encouraged.