EVE General Discussion

Successful blitzing is a very tiring experience as you cannot stop for any reason. You MUST keep pushing hard and hard or your isk per hour will plummet. You don't have time to second guess mission acceptance or to change tanks if you want to keep up a good rate.

As for stoic he did that pre-bunch of nerfs and he wouldn't be able to reach the same number if he tried it today. It's also irrelevant as his HAC had BS level dps for missions that are designed around t1 cruiser level of dps (half at best what stoic had). You can't overpower level 4s like you can level 3s because of the limits of what ships you can bring into HS. So there's no way to directly connect his information to level 4s while staying honest.

I'm the person who did the 50+M in Level 3s in an Ishtar post.

I did reject missions into low-sec. I listed a whole bunch of min-maxing conditionals to make it work, e.g. "* cherry pick missions, i.e. use faction standings to decline a mission more than once every 4 hours." In this case I was using standings to skip multiple low-sec missions per four hour block. If you actually cherry-pick the profitable missions, then you need to look at rows 41-47 to see what could be possible.



Yeah, the Rubicon warp speed changes are pretty obnoxious, even for a fast cruiser. When I ran a few tests on Sisi for Rubicon 1.0, a ~500 DPS Tengu with the Warp Speed subsystem looks like it was comparable and/or slightly better than the Ishtar (but it was a very small sample size) against Guristas.

I have some more data with a warp speed rigged Ishtar post Rubicon. I'll see if I can summarize the results later.

However, I still need to run the Ishtar with the Rubicon 1.1 omni nerfs.


tl;dr - Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Let's be careful with the numbers we throw around.

Some things that need to be noted in this last round.

I am still having a real hard time distinguishing Group 2a and 2b in Intercept the Saboteurs and of course Hivas gave it to me twice because he's a ****.

My first attempt at UAP this go was again jacked up I again missed a damn frigate. However, I've worked it out and my second time through this go around was a little better. 18m vs. 12m

Initially, I had planned to do these missions in Osmon in a Raven. The Raven is still sitting in Osmon and has that stupid Hacker Card and Gate Key for DPS in it.

Time to clear the gates on WC and DPS was 8m and 13m respectively. Obviously, this accounts for a lot of lost time.

Pirate Intrusion - Sanshas - I was using Scourge up until what I thought was the last rat in Group 5 before switching to Inferno, which handicapped my DPS for that mission somewhat. I also must have missed something in Group 5 because I ended up having to kill all but 2 BS and 3 frigs that never aggroed.

Dread Pilot Scarlet - I thought that blitzing this mission required just popping Scarlet at the end and getting out but halfway through room 2 (Guristas), I discovered while reading the mission report that I can just burn to the gates. Lost some time trying to kill everything in that room before realizing my error.

On the first Intercept the Saboteurs I got hung up on the damn gate for about 15-20s. Not a big deal but still.

On Massive Attack it says kill everything in Group 3 then warp out. I guess that once again, not being used to the blitzing thing, I missed something else. I did get a good laugh out of them while they used their tracking disruptors on me.

The thread you linked does not support the claim that level 4 missions net 100+ per hour. In fact the OP's data is in support of making income close to what he calls is the lower bound of L4's, which he claims to be 60 mil per hr, not 100 mil. Note that his data neither supports or refutes that the "norm" for Lvl 4's is 100 to 120 mil per hour. Do you have any data in support of the claims that:

1. Lvl 4 missions net 100 to 120/hr?
2. This is the norm?
3. This is sustainable?

Again, I'll just state that I'd support a nerf to blitzing if blitzing is a problem. CCP has the data. It'd be good if they'd share it. But as of now, the only data presented thus far does not prove of incomes over 100+/hr.

I too would support a nerf to blitzing but I think we're missing the bigger picture. Forgive me if this rambles or doesn't make sense but I'm literally exhausted.

72% of ISK faucets are Null Sec Anomalies - this was posted earlier in this thread and I have not seen it refuted but would love either a confirmation or source to this information or misinformation, whatever the case may be.

Now Baltec before you freak out, I recognize that this does not represent in any way a Sov Null line member's personal income. I think you've made a good case for that and I have no reason to doubt you.

In order to mitigate inflation from various faucets there needs to be sinks. I am way too tired to look it up but I wonder how much ISK goes out via the LP store.

With the introduction of the ESS, flawed as it may be, pilots in Null can now obtain LP as part of there PVE rewards in Null. It is not without it's shortcomings but nonetheless is paying out LP. As such, it is a sink taking ISK (in the form of bounties) out of the game in place of LP.

Sorry, rambling.

Anyway, due to the valuation of LP for SOE, Thukkar, and Trade Partners as Jenn has kindly pointed out to us all, that LP is worth more ISK but there is no real way to devalue it in our current environment. Here are some options I can think of but each is problematic.

1. Reduce LP awarded from missions for these corps based on market conditions. An LP nerf works but would likely need to be constantly monitored by people at CCP and do they really have the resources to micro-manage something like that without screwing it up?

2. Flatline nerf LP for these corps. Cut LP awards by 50% for example for these corps only. The problem here is that what happens when the "next big thing" comes out for a different corp and every Tom, Dinsdale, and Harry is running missions for Perkone? Do they go back and buff SOE, Thukkar, and Trade Partners back to pre-nerf levels? Again, do we want CCP manipulating things like this back and forth to address a long existing imbalance?

3. Nerf blitzing. This seems to me the most reasonable response but involves rewriting a bunch of Python code to manifest. Not an easy task and who knows what will get screwed up.

The problem with all 3 of these options is that it limits the amount of LP in Eve. Limiting that LP clogs the sink.

Those are my thoughts on this based on what I've seen and been enlightened to in the past couple of days with the FW 600m/hr crazy horseshit thing and everything else going on around here.

ED: Lots of grammar and spelling fail :/

Here's the problem I see with nerfing, for example, SOE LP. Right now SOE ships are a very hot commodity in high demand. It's foolish to expect them to be anything but. But nerfing SOE LP based on this will only cause problems down the line once these new ships' values begin to stabilize. Why not let the market sort it out? I'm not saying we should. I'm merely asking why not? I think this may be setting a precedent for future LP values when new toys are introduced. Should LP be adjusted when a new faction store module is introduced?

I hope this will suffice.

ISK per LP store site has it exchanging at 2,301 ISK/1 LP

Can't access it.

The fact is that the prices for the SOE ships will stay relatively high, because if it doesn't everyone just sell virture implants, probes and launchers and whatnot.

....that being said those chips are an interesting wrinkle, but it also requires that you look in nullsec.

Looting in nullsec is brave. I for one would NEVER fly a marauder in null, Domi and Ishtar just took a relatively serious whack with the nerfstick, and I have an NPC pocket with like three alliances that exist primarily to drop all of the things in jump range, which is the entire damn region.

The drones are going to be a warzone for a good long time, PL is out of the south, N3 is on its heals and Solar wants their home back (for some reason) because they look at it as theirs. So those chips in the drones are going to take a GOOD long time to start bending the price curves.