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What would happen if CCP finally nerfed Nullsec?

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Mourn LeBlade
Jupiter Roughriders
#1 - 2014-02-01 15:46:59 UTC
I can't help but notice that every time I fly into NullSec through a wormhole, it's usually filled with some Nullbears semi-AFK grinding out the rich and limitless resources. As soon as I appear in Local, they scatter and, either hide, or gather together a large blob.

It seems to me that with Local available, the Nullbears in the "outer regions" have virtually no risk or threat to their wealthy and lazy lifestyle.

Is this the dirty little secret of Eve? That the "End-Game" is really just the providence of the entitled? How the NullSec denizens have the gall to look down on HighSec dwellers I will never understand.

Should CCP nerf Nullsec? Should Local be eliminated to make NullSec more realistic? After all, if the NullSecers are the masters of the universe, why do they need the protective underpants of Local?

LTCOL LeBlade 177 Division Live Free or Die
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#2 - 2014-02-01 15:50:11 UTC
y u do dis

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Serene Repose
#3 - 2014-02-01 15:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
We are to assume, therefore, you're out ganking despicable null sec miners because they're probably more lucrative gank targets being in null sec and all, but that pesky local keeps alerting them to your presence, which causes them to take the appropriate defensive actions, and everything would be just fine for YOU if local were not present in null sec...alerting folks to your presence...so they can avoid you ganking them and living off their enterprise....which is a despicable enterprise...but good enough for YOU to spend?

Did I get that right?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#4 - 2014-02-01 15:53:47 UTC
it is working as intended, as you said players form their own police force when someone try to harm them.

You do just same thing in your wormhole.

So what is the part you want to nerf
Mourn LeBlade
Jupiter Roughriders
#5 - 2014-02-01 15:54:57 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
We are to assume, therefore, you're out ganking despicable null sec miners because they're probably more lucrative gank targets being in null sec and all, but that pesky local keeps alerting them to your presence, which causes them to take the appropriate defensive actions, and everything would be just fine for YOU if local were not present in null sec...alerting folks to your presence...so they can avoid you ganking them and living off their enterprise....which is despicable...but good enough to spend?

Did I get that right?


Thank you for illustrating my point.

LTCOL LeBlade 177 Division Live Free or Die
Serene Repose
#6 - 2014-02-01 15:56:49 UTC
Just because you're lactate intolerant doesn't mean we have to ban the cows.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-01 16:01:44 UTC
If local in 0.0 is removed, do we also get other WH features? Like:

- free cynojammer, blocking even covert cynos, regardless of sov level or pos ownership
- the ability to close stargates at will, like collapsing wormholes
- A mass limit on stargates
Mourn LeBlade
Jupiter Roughriders
#8 - 2014-02-01 16:04:30 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Just because you're lactate intolerant doesn't mean we have to ban the cows.


You win the Internet today.

LTCOL LeBlade 177 Division Live Free or Die
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-02-01 17:44:21 UTC
Mourn LeBlade wrote:
Nullbears semi-AFK . As soon as I appear in Local, they scatter and, either hide, or gather together a large blob.



I for one am impressed at these AFK people reacting instantly to your presence.
Null sec PVE is exactly as hard as PVE in any other sec. (ie idiotically easy)
PVE anywhere isn't endgame.
Why is leaving PVE ships and fetching PVP ships anything but a sensible reaction to a hostile player arriving?
People that don't proactively defend their space get lots of people roaming their space. For evidence of this see almot all renters, and several CFC pets (li3 and SMA would be the standouts for allowing anyone to wander freely around their space).

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-02-01 17:45:40 UTC
This again, really?

It didn't sit well the first time, so you have to vomit it back up and present for all to see, before going for a second attempt at digestion?

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#11 - 2014-02-01 17:48:28 UTC
I look forward to the day when I can read a TMC article announcing the end of local chat in nullsec.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-02-01 17:49:14 UTC
Goons cometh to hisec and usher in a new world of pain brain in sane bane tane hame
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#13 - 2014-02-01 18:22:13 UTC
Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#14 - 2014-02-01 18:29:39 UTC
I like that nullsec is nullsec and wormhole space is wormhole space. Sure, each could use a few tweaks/changes, but that doesn't mean make one like the other.

No trolling please
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#15 - 2014-02-01 18:30:48 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns.


Basically this.

You'd have all the resources, players and skills of the nullsec alliances, in highsec, and angry at highsec.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Robert Warner
Back Door Burglars
#16 - 2014-02-01 18:31:19 UTC
If local were removed from null sec, all the null bears would move to wormholes.

Without local, null sec is more dangerous space than wormhole, considering the force projection mechanics. It is also far less lucrative space.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#17 - 2014-02-01 18:38:10 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns.


Funny, people called me tinfoil when I suggested that is exactly what mittens told CCP would happen if they mess with his operations.
Now you guys are openly stating it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#18 - 2014-02-01 18:39:55 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns.


Funny, people called me tinfoil when I suggested that is exactly what mittens told CCP would happen if they mess with his operations.
Now you guys are openly stating it.


Except I'm not putting on the tinfoil hat.

I'm telling you that's what I think the citizens of nullsec would demand, if people like you ever got your way.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2014-02-01 18:40:15 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns.


Funny, people called me tinfoil when I suggested that is exactly what mittens told CCP would happen if they mess with his operations.
Now you guys are openly stating it.


No, they called you tinfoil for suggesting that CCP take orders from mittens.

Pretty much everything thinks that nothing is more likely than that the 0.0 alliances will burn hi-sec if 0.0 gets nerfed yet again.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#20 - 2014-02-01 18:54:40 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nullsec gets nerfed, highsec burns.


Funny, people called me tinfoil when I suggested that is exactly what mittens told CCP would happen if they mess with his operations.
Now you guys are openly stating it.

No we call you tinfoil because you think CCP has been infiltrated and taken over by the illuminati.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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