Science & Industry

1: Better Industry UI. It's going to happen at some point, maybe some parts in summer expansion, as much of the CSM feedback (though under heavy NDA) has been quite positive for the yet unnamed summer features.

2: Meh, I don't have an opinion one way or the other on this. But CCP has said they are against long term passive income. Research agent income might be acceptable to be bumped if it required frequent interaction like running occasional missions to continue income flow.

3: No. Rorquals are a lowsec and nullsec thing. Highsec mining already is far, far too comfy with freighter jetcans, orcas sitting in belts, and immunity to all PvP except suicide gankers and wardecs. If you want to have a Rorqual in highsec, I don't want it to be able to give enhanced boosts or compress minerals.

4: Eh, whatever. There is actually a decent bit of planning involved in know what to grab in what order, with dedicated knowledgeable explorers with implants having longer to grab he valuable cans. Even if it was no longer a scattercan mechanic, income would stay relatively stable as increased drops were countered by the drop in market price. I'd vote to keep the current mechanic.

5: The deployable modules are CCP's method to slowly replace all the broken, interconnected POS code with new, less dependent versions, to eventually result in a total POS overhaul, but it wont be happening anytime soon. CCP won't be making any drastic changes to POS function or UI before they rehaul it.

6: Eh, whatever, I'm not against it, but unless it was significantly sturdier or faster than a regular freighter I doubt it would see much actual use.

1) We all hope for that, and the recent survey makes me mildly optimistic that CCP will address this sooner rather than later.

2) Agree with Anhenka, passive, almost effortless income won't happen, but you are right about the current FW situation being ridiculous, although the prices for Datacores are ok imho.

3) Again, agreeing with Anhenka, Rorquals in high sec won't happen, and mining there is, if you put some thought into which barge/exhumer to fly and how to fit it, already too safe.

4) The mini-game is indeed nice, the scatter containers are an annoyance, but hey, CCP at least did not include them in Rubicon's Ghost Sites ;)

5) Don't start with POSes, I think and hope that at one point, CCP will just get rid of all the horrible old code and do a complete revamp from scratch. There's so much wrong with that, let's just not start talking about it.

PI: I would like to see the ability to save factory layouts and reset them at will. i.e I have a lout to produce Wetware Mainframes and Sterile Conduits. I want to save the layout as a template, switch to producing Recursive Computing Modules and Organic Mortar Applicators by loading from the pre-saved template, run a batch and then switch back to WwMf's and Sterile conduits.

In addition I would like to be able to set the number of runs for each factory to provide batch production facilities. The number of runs would be set in a similar manner to the number of runs against a BPO/C with the required materials being listed along with the number available/missing.

Lastly (for now :]) I would like some kind of deployable smuggling dropship to be able to drop/retrieve goods from the surface of a planet whilst bypassing customs. Such an action would make you suspect if performed within sensor range of the POCO owning corps bases/ships. Otherwise they would never know...

Well I was fairly specific in the survey, but if you want specifics, lets see...

1) Why have to tell the UI to use an open slot? If I tell the UI that I want to produce an item in the station, why doesn't it just automatically take the first available slot.

2) Would be nice to have a repeat last production button. So say if I want to produce 1000 units of an item, I have 5 BPOs of the item...I start a production of 200 units then when I select the next BPO have a right click option to repeat last production, similar to saving the scan probe configuration or the save settings on the trade window.

3) Same as above for invention....

4) Adding a in-game tool that allows you to see what a material is used for in a production. Meaning, if I right click a piece of salvage, it will list what BPOs call for the material I just right clicked. Currently to find that information is a pain, and has to be done thru third-party sites.

These are the ones I remember listing, think I had a few more off the wall ones I was thinking about at the time as well.

As far as having to "learn a real skill" in EVE, I think there is enough of a hassle trying to figure out what is profitable to produce, what items are selling well in what areas, and general supply/demand mechanics are enough of a skill to hassle with.

Think about it. They redo PVP/PVE mechanics all the time to tweak them for ease of use to players, yet on the industrial/science side we have a UI that is grossly out dated, mechanics that cannot compete with PVE in terms of isk per hour, and skills (such as Battleship Construction V) that don't even have a use.

Now they are asking us, what is wrong with S&I in Eve, and I think we should take this chance to list every complaint and gripe possible, as loud as possible, to make sure we make full use of their attention.

I would gather a stack of every possible item and simply accept/complete missions instantly until I reached the desired standings. May as well just add an option to buy standings.

That was more my thinking, the mission supplies you a BPC for something that uses the standard minerals/PI/materials and you give it in for the reward. No actual ISK value on the market but makes you use your skills

Of course you could just buy the materials, but that should cost more than the reward and is still excercising your S&I skills as everyone buys stuff to complete builds.

Okay lets go thru this....



1. Yes they are full on passive, however the best agents at the highest standings give possible of what....2 data cores a day, so say 700 data cores a year....hardly game breaking. So why not modify these agents, or get rid of them then have the data core NPC corp have the data cores available via lp points, or 100+ different things that can be done to them to make then less passive, more reactive, more missions, and at least half what a FW player can get thru one mission.


2. Yes, they would have a ton of benefits being in high sec, mostly to an industrial corp.....whats the problem? Compressing low end minerals to ship for production in null sec, were the productions are going to end up anyways.... As for the rest...

a) orca not a capital ship.

/facepalm....uses Capital Parts in the construction, need Capital Ship Construction III to build.....its a capital ship. Freighters are also capital ships. Just because they don't require the Capital Ship skill to use, doesn't mean they not capital ship.

b) Rorqual

Unfitted the Rorqual has 500k EFT. With a Fully Shield fit w/ reinforced bulkheads and a DCU II 2.5m EFT (t2 modules)....yes does have a large EFT. Sorry if its going to be a interesting mix for gate gankers, but about time they had one ship out of all the industry that will give them trouble.

Cargo carrying I not going to touch, bout the same except for ship hold (which can only haul indy ships) and Ore Hold.

Now the damage output of 2 Dominixs??? Umm how? The only non-neuting ability it has is a drone bay of 300 m3, less then other drone boats, with 125 Mbit...so one fully flight of sentry drones able to be deployed, not game breaking....if you go with the 2m EFT you have 2 Low slots available for Drone Damage Amps....max of 450 DPS....around 500 with 3 and rigs. *Hint* Shoot the Drones! It only can carry 12....launch 5 at a time. Take them out and you can kite it to death in Battleships as it has a speed of 75 m/sec. No Fighters or FB so no right game breaker here either. The Heavy Neuts would have a range of 25 km....but the geddon are even better then that, with greater range and larger drone bay.


3. If you think they are fine, then you are in a very small margin of players. PoS need big revamp. Spend time in a WH Corp, or a Larger Industrial Corp and you will see what I mean. Ever think that it takes 2 mobile labs to match the researching of 1 toon, technically 3 labs, but I was counting the use of PE slots. Now If you have a medium size corp....say 50-60 people, and a Large Caldari Tower can hold 15 Labs max....so if you have more then 8 people wanting to run inventions and research BPOs....your going to run out of slots fast. Same with Arrays, Drone array has 8 slots, so one toon doing t2 drones needs 2 drone arrays. So you say what about stations....okay add in 50 more slots....thats only 5 more people. It gets very limiting, very fast.

4. Actually I was thinking more of a small freighter....Orca is the current middle ground...I think we should have access to something better.


Again, these are my opinions...they man not match your own. I just would like to see indy corps have the same benefits that non-indy corps have. Indy players are limited in the fact that they have to spread out a lot. Too many indy in one area you run out of resources (ore, slots, moons) very fast. I would love to see high sec moons being able to be moon mined as well. Think of how many moons have dead sticks sitting on them, there would be none. War Decs would go thru the roof, much more then the new high sec POCOs that were suppose to cause conflict, but rather have just caused high sec players to stop doing PI in high sec altogether in certain areas. However, that is for another thread to discuss.

If we jump your rorqual it will be with overwhelming force and it will die like the little ***** it is. If you see us with a Rorqual it's part of a 6+ rorqual fleet of ******* capital shield transfers with incredible levels of EHP, the ability to neut out a bhaalgorn in two cycles, and enough sentry alpha to instapop non-brick T3s.



SO YES LET'S PUT A ******* CAPITAL SHIP INTO HIGH-SEC SO WE CAN MINE A BIT BETTER (PS this is what the orca is for)

Instead of trying to bring the Rorqual to HS, which really is not a good idea, maybe think about a heavily specialized T2 version of the Orca with ore compression. One without fleet boosts, ship hangar and only with a small cargo bay and fleet hangar.

Add mineral compression as a module, then the orca pilot has to choose between the compression module and tank or cargo modules.