EVE General Discussion

I just want to start out by saying that I know some things in EVE are the way they are due to game play specific reasons, but I feel that is not justification enough to explain it in the game universe and where it fits. It's breaking the fourth wall to use an out of game reason to justify something occurring in game. Something out of game can cause this change certainly, but it should be explained properly in game as well

The thing I love about science fiction is trying to figure out how the technology we are introduced to might work, and discussing it with other people.! As you will soon find out, I have been doing a lot of thinking and a lot of calculating, and I have come to the conclusion that something does not add up.

So, here we go.

Carriers and Dreadnaughts are capital ships, and are unable to go into highsec or use star gates, instead relying on a jump drive they have inbuilt.

Why is this? The most common reason you hear, on every wiki I could find is that "Carriers and Dreadnaughts are much too large to use star gates". Fair enough, they're called capital ships for a reason, they're large.

Freighters and Jump Freighters are also capital ships, but they are ships capable of using both star gates and entering high sec. This would mean they are not too big to use star gates.

How much does a Nidhoggur weigh? 1,014,750,000 kgs. 1.014 billion kgs
How much does a Rhea/Charon weigh? 960,000,000 kgs. 0.96 billion kgs

This would lead us to believe that star gates cannot handle anything just over 960 million kgs. Does this mean that a Nidhoggur, a carrier well known to be "much too large to handle a stargate" lives to its reputation? No.

A Nidhoggur is approximately 5% heavier in mass than a Charon/Rhea
Perhaps "far too large" means volume then? Perhaps it's too much volume and the Nidhoggur simply cant squeeze into a stargate
A Charon is 30.76% bulkier in terms of raw m3 than a nidhoggur

It turns out, that when looking in depth, the Nidhoggur is not too bulky for the star gates at all, in fact, with a few slight modifications a nidhoggur could theoretically use a star gate no problem.

by simply shaving off 5% of the nidhoggurs mass, the impossible is made possible (80,000 m3 drone bay perhaps? 850 - 900k m3 ship maintenence array?)

I tried to figure out what the new specs of the nidhoggur would be by trimming off some of the capital construction parts, but as it turns out, all of the capital construction parts that make up the nidhoggur only make up 0.17% of the 1.014 billion kg ship. Lol. Maybe I just suck at math.

So where am I going with this? I personally think that the minmatar (and other race) engineers that designed the carriers failed by not trimming down the last 5 - 10% of the mass required to make star gate jumps possible. Either that or star gates should get just that little bit bigger.

So, even though capital ships should not be able to jump into highsec (due to the empires rejecting their right to use stargates), carriers should be able to jump through stargates that lead from nullsec - nullsec.

If you want to go a step further and say that the empires also control the stargates in nullsec, then here's the real kicker.

If capsuleer made stargates becomes possible in the future, which will mean that the empires do not control these stargates. Within a margin of 5% - 10%, Carriers and Dreadnaughts should be able to use star gates.

There will be no volume stopping them. There will be no mass stopping them (if they shed that 5% or the stargates decide to up the ante) and there will be no empires stopping them.

So, to make an extremely long post short. Capital ship star gate usage hype!

Dispute my claims, call me out on my calculations, please, I would love to discuss this with people

Market -> Ships -> Capital Ships -> Jump Freighters/Freighters

Not to mention the fact that they (used to) require the capital ships skill. The fact that they no longer need this skill doesn't mean they're no longer a capital ship

so, ye dey aer

No yoo aer rong caps need cap skill and caant go into gate

dey arent the onny thing in rong payce in meerkat eether

Jumping, combat agression and gate mechanics especially on low or null to highsec gates have always had *issues*.
Remember eject and scooping to orca?
Remember lowsec Nyxes on gates before HICs joined the game?

While I think it would be nice to see cap ships moving through gates too, too many game mechanics would need to be re-written.

So accept it how it is.

I guess that means black ops are capital ships then.

black ops do not use a capital class jump drive. They are therefore not capital class ships.

when is your sister coming back?

Id dare say that black ops ships are a very experimental technology, having no alternative due to their uncommon nature they are forced to use a capital jump drive that is reconfigured for their own mass and power requirements. This would make them a fair exception to the ruling of capital parts make a capital ship.

I find myself wondering why capitals are not allowed in High sec. Anybody got a justification for that?

CCP could enable capital ships to traverse high sec but they would be limited in what they can do of course:

-they would still need to use cynos

-they wouldnt be able to remote repair

-they wouldnt be able to launch drones/fighters or use EWAR, energy disruption and weapon modules

-they would be locked from mission sites and anomalies/DED sites...

-they can repair themselves and use propulsion methods

-capital ships can interact in duels and defend if agressed by players, its the only moment where they have combat enabled

the idea is that while not in wardecs or being attacked, capital ships would only serve as hauling ships, they have the permission to pass and defend themselves if attacked, but they wont be able to do any PvE content, mining included, since their place should be out of high sec