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[Rubicon 1.3] New way of acquiring the Astero, Stratios and Nestor

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#101 - 2014-02-01 04:07:52 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It doesn't really matter what is done with regards to cost at this point; the Nestor is the EVE equivalent of the "Spruce Goose". As has been previously pointed out, it's really only worth $500 to $600-million ISK based on current capabilities. It's certainly not worth more than a Vindicator or Machariel, and no amount of blueprint drops is going to offset this. With the ability to run a Covert Ops cloak it would be worth a small premium.

CCP Rise, just give the Nestor a Covert Ops cloak and be done with it. This ship was designed for wormhole play, and wormhole players really haven't been given much - so throw them a bone already... The Nestor is cost-prohibitive to the point where I can't see it being massive used in fleet actions, but if so - who cares?


Covert Ops on a battleship ha ha ha ha ha

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#102 - 2014-02-01 04:50:21 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Covert Ops on a battleship ha ha ha ha ha

Why? How many battleships do you see on solo roams...

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#103 - 2014-02-01 05:53:01 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:


Covert Ops on a battleship ha ha ha ha ha

Everyone claims it would be broken, yet we have never seen one in action. Given their slow align, slow lock times before cloak, and slow warp, I don't think it would actually be that much of an issue. Cloaky T3's haven't broken the game despite having near BS tanks (When talking about a Blops tank equivalent) & DPS.
It's not like we are talking about a cloaking Vindi.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#104 - 2014-02-01 06:27:26 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:


Covert Ops on a battleship ha ha ha ha ha

Everyone claims it would be broken, yet we have never seen one in action. Given their slow align, slow lock times before cloak, and slow warp, I don't think it would actually be that much of an issue. Cloaky T3's haven't broken the game despite having near BS tanks (When talking about a Blops tank equivalent) & DPS.
It's not like we are talking about a cloaking Vindi.


I think you'll see CCP's opinion on cloaky T3's and T3's in general and their relative balance compared to other ships fairly soon.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#105 - 2014-02-01 07:03:58 UTC
Destoya wrote:
I think you'll see CCP's opinion on cloaky T3's and T3's in general and their relative balance compared to other ships fairly soon.

Yeah… None of us are looking forward to that.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#106 - 2014-02-01 07:04:48 UTC
Destoya wrote:


I think you'll see CCP's opinion on cloaky T3's and T3's in general and their relative balance compared to other ships fairly soon.

Actually I'm pretty sure Cloaky T3's won't see very much of a nerf. The Super Tanky DPS T3 setup will see a Nerf for sure. And some other T3 area's will get a substantial buff. But Cloaky T3's slot in fairly well alongside the other T2 Cloakies.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#107 - 2014-02-01 07:10:20 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Actually I'm pretty sure Cloaky T3's won't see very much of a nerf. The Super Tanky DPS T3 setup will see a Nerf for sure. And some other T3 area's will get a substantial buff. But Cloaky T3's slot in fairly well alongside the other T2 Cloakies.

I agree, and would actually go so far to suggest most of the cloaky T3s could use a bit of a damage buff.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2014-02-01 07:27:56 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:


Covert Ops on a battleship ha ha ha ha ha

Everyone claims it would be broken, yet we have never seen one in action. Given their slow align, slow lock times before cloak, and slow warp, I don't think it would actually be that much of an issue. Cloaky T3's haven't broken the game despite having near BS tanks (When talking about a Blops tank equivalent) & DPS.
It's not like we are talking about a cloaking Vindi.



oo they have.. and that is why they will be nerfed

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2014-02-01 07:29:06 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Actually I'm pretty sure Cloaky T3's won't see very much of a nerf. The Super Tanky DPS T3 setup will see a Nerf for sure. And some other T3 area's will get a substantial buff. But Cloaky T3's slot in fairly well alongside the other T2 Cloakies.

I agree, and would actually go so far to suggest most of the cloaky T3s could use a bit of a damage buff.



Nope.. Cloakyt3 must be massively nerfed specially now tht the ships can be reconfigured in space

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#110 - 2014-02-01 07:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Nope.. Cloakyt3 must be massively nerfed specially now tht the ships can be reconfigured in space

Yeah, right… Dropping a MD is like sending up a flare. Now if you were to integrate the subsystem swapping into the ship, that's another matter altogether...

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Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2014-02-01 09:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Laiannah Sahireen
CCP Rise wrote:
Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items..


Could you please confirm if the 'overseer' loot cans, such as that in the Rogue Drone 3/10 will have a chance to drop the appropriate BPC (in this case the frigate).

The corresponding cans in pirate DED sites have a chance to drop these BPCs, such as the can in the 2nd room of the Blood Raider 1/10, which has a small chance to drop a Cruor BPC.

This would be a very welcome change as it would make the abundance of Drone sites in lowsec slightly less useless, as well as achieving your goal of bringing down the SOE ship price.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#112 - 2014-02-01 09:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
Ah great, so you are giving it in the rear to all those who are trying to get a Nestor through mission grinding. I see crapping all over the normal market dynamics is not a problem for you.

If you want to press the price of SOE ships down to a level that justifies their performances, I guesstimate you have to increase the supply by 3-400%. This will essentially make drones the only source worth considering if you are trying to obtain one of these BPCs, as only fools and people with bad math skills will try to obtain one through the LP store; if they do have SOE LP they should trade them for other high value SOE items, sell those and use the ISK to buy a BPC from a drone dropping.

So, what is the point having the ships in the SOE store then? Why is it priced at 600.000 SOE LP when you acknowledge it is not worth 600.000 SOE LP?*


*:Emphasize that SOE LP is and will be worth a lot of ISK.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

I am disposable
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2014-02-01 10:27:31 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I am disposable wrote:
Seems like a good idea to me. I still think the Nestor sucks, but at 800 misk it won't suck as much. Plus drone space gets a bump in value.

Even with a price reduction to $800-million, the Nestor is still about 100% overpriced...


Probably more than that. I still think a Dominix is a straight up superior ship.
I am disposable
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2014-02-01 10:29:29 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Ah great, so you are giving it in the rear to all those who are trying to get a Nestor through mission grinding. I see crapping all over the normal market dynamics is not a problem for you.

If you want to press the price of SOE ships down to a level that justifies their performances, I guesstimate you have to increase the supply by 3-400%. This will essentially make drones the only source worth considering if you are trying to obtain one of these BPCs, as only fools and people with bad math skills will try to obtain one through the LP store; if they do have SOE LP they should trade them for other high value SOE items, sell those and use the ISK to buy a BPC from a drone dropping.

So, what is the point having the ships in the SOE store then? Why is it priced at 600.000 SOE LP when you acknowledge it is not worth 600.000 SOE LP?*


*:Emphasize that SOE LP is and will be worth a lot of ISK.


Yeah it would seem that a LP price drop is in order as well. There are much, much, much better things to spend SOE LP on.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2014-02-01 11:13:03 UTC
The timing is amusing.

They waited 4 or 5 days for as many highsec grinders as possible to commit to Nestor blueprints before announcing the change :D

I notice some people have multiple Nestor for sale they are probably furious :D
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#116 - 2014-02-01 11:43:56 UTC
This is a pretty sloppy duct-tape patch job that makes very little sense.

If you want to give the drone regions a buff while bringing down the price of the SoE ships, why not allow them to drop chips/items that can be exchanged for LP at ANY faction store? This would act as a relief valve on any future LP price hikes, makes up for the lack of a rogue drone faction which you might otherwise run missions for, and makes a little more sense than just SoE being involved (as literally everyone will be at least slightly 'grr rogue drones' in roleplay land).
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#117 - 2014-02-01 12:01:44 UTC
SoE have a long history of being involved with Rogue Drones, and dodgy things. So perfectly reasonable for them to be making use of Drone Chips somehow....
Aren Dar
EVE University
Ivy League
#118 - 2014-02-01 12:43:45 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
SoE have a long history of being involved with Rogue Drones, and dodgy things. So perfectly reasonable for them to be making use of Drone Chips somehow....


So spin that into lore - have a Sisters faction spawn appear in these sites sometimes, and have them drop an object that can be converted, that kind of ties into the game better than having random NPC drop random object that can be converted to something else.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#119 - 2014-02-01 13:09:09 UTC
Uh, so you are saying that you should shoot sisters ships and give the SOE the loot from sisters ships and get given BPC's....
Or are you suggesting missions against the SOE what drop BPC's?

What exactly is wrong with the logic of 'SOE take a Rogue Drone control chip, and in return give you this ship BPC that just happens to have bonuses to drone control.... by pure co-incidence, they totally aren't using Rogue drone technology to help them with the ships at all......'
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#120 - 2014-02-01 13:16:14 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Uh, so you are saying that you should shoot sisters ships and give the SOE the loot from sisters ships and get given BPC's....
Or are you suggesting missions against the SOE what drop BPC's?

What exactly is wrong with the logic of 'SOE take a Rogue Drone control chip, and in return give you this ship BPC that just happens to have bonuses to drone control.... by pure co-incidence, they totally aren't using Rogue drone technology to help them with the ships at all......'

That argument could be spun for practically any ship which uses drones in eve then and is really a little weak. I would agree CCP need to make a more solid link here. Why specifically is this ship tied to rogue drones other than the obvious of helping the drone regions out?