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PvE/Wormhole Tengu
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Syn Man
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-01 11:46:43 UTC
So since I started playing the game I've always loved the design of the Tengu. I've trained several other skills and recently moved into setting up what I need for a skilled Tengu pilot, but I was wondering what a real use for it is. I live between nullsec and wormholes, and generally speaking, I can't find a niche good enough to fill with the Tengu.

What I mean is that most wh's have capacitor debuffs with neuting sleepers and Tengus are generally active tank fitted, which defeats the purpose and ultimately ends up in an embarrassing killmail. Whereas a Drake can fill the role nearly as good with slightly less DPS and an active tank that's just as tough. Couple that with a friend or two and you've got enough dps to make short work of sleepers.

I'm mainly just wondering how well a group of 2-3 Tengus would work in a wormhole, what fits we should be aiming for and how to deal with active tanking and sleepers that neut.
Maxxor Brutor
Borderline Procurements
#2 - 2014-02-01 14:48:40 UTC
Which class? Solo Tengu can handle C3 and below but you could always try a RR setup.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#3 - 2014-02-01 16:55:03 UTC
Syn Man wrote:
a Drake can fill the role nearly as good with an active tank that's just as tough.







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Syn Man
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-02-01 19:51:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Syn Man
RavenPaine wrote:
Syn Man wrote:
a Drake can fill the role nearly as good with an active tank that's just as tough.







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Never!
Ever!


I meant passive

Blasphemous words have exited my mouth, and I shall burn in hell for it!

Maxxor Brutor wrote:
Which class? Solo Tengu can handle C3 and below but you could always try a RR setup.


Could you show me an example? Or are you talking about having the 'spider red' setup between 2-3 people?
Syn Man
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-02-01 20:12:56 UTC
Accidentally double posted, eep
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#6 - 2014-02-01 20:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
What you need for solo C3 is a ship that has the following:
1. An omnitank of about 600HP/s burst (maximum and heated).
2. A capacitor buffer of at least +7-9 Gj against neuting.
3. DPS projection @60km for some of the bigger targets.

Build your tengu around that. Both active and passive fits are viable.
Syn Man
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-02-01 21:25:02 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
What you need for solo C3 is a ship that has the following:
1. An omnitank of about 600HP/s burst (maximum and heated).
2. A capacitor buffer of at least +7-9 Gj against neuting.
3. DPS projection @60km for some of the bigger targets.

Build your tengu around that. Both active and passive fits are viable.


Not too great at fitting out ships off the top of my head, and I've just recently returned, so most of the modules are still coming back to me, mind spoon feeding me something to start on?
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#8 - 2014-02-01 21:51:02 UTC
How much do you want to spend for it?
Syn Man
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-01 23:43:16 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
How much do you want to spend for it?


Well, realistically I don't want something too expensive, so most likely no faction/deadspace. I'd say under 700m
Captain Ohara
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-02-02 03:32:40 UTC
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-02-02 03:53:33 UTC
If you go HML route neuting will be a non issue in any of the anoms as you can easily stay outside of neut range.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#12 - 2014-02-02 08:16:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Syn Man wrote:
Bertrand Butler wrote:
How much do you want to spend for it?


Well, realistically I don't want something too expensive, so most likely no faction/deadspace. I'd say under 700m


Ok, here is a suggestion for starting out.

[Tengu, Ishira Sheldon the 3rd]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

True Sansha Cap Recharger
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith B-Type EM Ward Field
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

Cost is 700mil flat.
Positive delta of 15.4Gj
Combined tank of 647.6HP/s cold, and 986.1HP/s hot burst.
738DPS with rage missiles @36.3km, 629DPS with faction @43.7km, 492DPS with Javelin @65.6km

Don't go for HMLs, they are worse simply because it takes you a lot more time to finish the pocket. The more DPS you do, the faster you are able to GTFO without getting clusterfucked by someone and his pets.

Have in mind that the above fit is not optimal, but rather geared for getting accustomed to C3s safely (from Sleepers at least). If you are worried about the price, you can drop the cost to about 400mil rigged with the following:

[Tengu, Ishira Sheldon the 3rd - cheapskate]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Cap Recharger II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

After you get more accustomed to the difficulty level and the hull, you can opt for a min maxing 6 launcher setup, or even better a RR setup if you run with friends.
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-02-02 22:51:13 UTC
3 RR tengus can do C4 wormhole sites. Make sure the Tengu is cap stable with the Remote Rep running, and get the resistances up to around 70% (at least). Use HML because you can then just ball up and shoot everything with very little movement required and it means you won't need a prop mod.

I don't have the fit available at the moment. but most of the RR fits are pretty much same same.

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illy velo
Emergency and I
#14 - 2014-02-03 23:38:24 UTC
+1 for remote rep tengu / HML combo if you have more than one pilot or are multi-boxing. I have a kind of shiny solo tengu that works in C3's and lower but that shinyness is also why I don't really fly it anymore. Honestly, when I would solo dive from hisec into C1-C3 holes the risk / reward ratio was best served in yes, a drake.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2014-02-04 18:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Syn Man wrote:
So since I started playing the game I've always loved the design of the Tengu. I've trained several other skills and recently moved into setting up what I need for a skilled Tengu pilot, but I was wondering what a real use for it is. I live between nullsec and wormholes, and generally speaking, I can't find a niche good enough to fill with the Tengu.


Well, tengu is pretty much a fantastic ship to have at your disposal in 5zxx. You're surrounded by guristas, and the tengu is pretty much the best ship for scanning out guristas running their sites.

In WHs, tengu can solo low class stuff up through c3.

Syn Man wrote:
Don't go for HMLs, they are worse simply because it takes you a lot more time to finish the pocket. The more DPS you do, the faster you are able to GTFO without getting clusterfucked by someone and his pets.


a 6hml tengu does nearly the dps of your 5 launcher ham fit, but at 70km range and with admittedly worse application (helped however by your two free rig slots and the ability to trade some tank for a painter).

Syn Man wrote:

[Tengu, Ishira Sheldon the 3rd]


Your fit requires launcher rigging 5, a cpu implant, downgrading the EM hardener, or upgrading to a faction BCU. I think I can improve on it with 6 launchers and using a capacitor battery for about the same price. Total capacitor is the same, your fit has faster recharge and cap usage, while mine has slower recharge, less usage, more dps, the potential for a 4th damage mod, and neutralizer reduction. My fit has only one range rig. I get excited when I have an opportunity to fit cap battery.

[Tengu, HAM BATTERY]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II (can fit faction BCU w/ pg implant or if you squeeze a bit extra pg out of AB or battery)

10MN Afterburner II
Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Booster (c-type is more natural here. b-type costs about the same as your gist booster)
Medium Capacitor Battery II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith B-Type EM Ward Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I (threw this on to get sutained tank to same numbers)

Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#16 - 2014-02-05 00:26:11 UTC
Its a very good setup, and I really like large batteries myself for sleeper duty. As I said in the previous post, a 6 launcher setup or a RR loadout is a natural progression if you get accustomed to the difficulty level.