EVE General Discussion

That's why I linked my skills. That deficiency definitely needs to be considered. We may not be able to extrapolate exactly how much LP I would have gotten with SC IV or V, or how much I would have gotten in Lanngisi rather than Osmon, but those things are being taken into account.

that's a lot of cap mods, blitzers'll often use boosters instead so they can use less slots for cap

you won't run out of charges if you do it properly

this is the setup i have in eft, dunno if it's what i got ingame

[Apocalypse, New Setup 1 copy 1]
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
100MN Afterburner II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L *8

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I

Hammerhead II x5

Here is the problem with the argument that is being made. "100m-150m/hr is doable in this fit, under these conditions, assuming everything goes right".

My skill with Gallente Battleship is 3 (trained it up for the Rattlesnake). My Amarr Battleship skill is, well 0. My drone skills are not maxed out while my missile skills will be soon(tm). I've never used a cap booster though I could certainly try and I guess I've always overtanked because I like to laugh when my tank holds while 40 things are shooting at me. Cap stable and shield tanking were drilled into my head when I was still a young pilot. I remember flying a Caracal before skilling up my Engineering skills and Aura always saying, "The capacitor is empty". It annoyed me.

If the argument is "Nerf highsec because you can make 100-150m ISK/hr using this fit, under these conditions, assuming everything goes right vs. nullsec making 90m ISK/hr using this fit, under these conditions, assuming everything goes right" Then okay, fair enough. I assume you are using these exact same fits in null sec anomalies then as well yea?

If that's the case, no 4 hour SOE-a-thon needed. I'll just go back to running L4 missions for Caldari Steel for the Corp Standing making less than 100-150m ISK/hr or maybe just do a bunch of L1s somewhere in a frigate (because I do it for the fun).

no, anoms don't use the same fits, you use the right fit for the job

it doesn't matter that a suitable anom fit is different to a suitable mission fit. so "these conditions" would be 'using the optimal ship setup for the task'

but apart from that yeah, except replace 'nerf highsec' with 'null personal income needs attention because...'

'null/low personal income needs attention' is one of the premises for 'highsec needs a nerf'

You know that hammerheads get targeted a lot right? So quite a lot of potential dps will be wasted as the drones fly to and from your targets. Granted once you get in close that doesn't matter as much but most missions put you at a distance.

Well other then the fact that it's a meh fit nothing much.

Figured if you're going to post an example of a cap boosted fit you could at least stick to a good fit?

i'm so glad we had this talk

There is nothing wrong with the argument being made. First of all you can vastly improve your Raven by not running 8 slots dedicated to capacitor. You could figure out how to make it do damage more consistently over all types of NPCs in missions, and you can make it deal more raw damage, and on a mission by mission basis you can make it resist the appropriate ewar or move faster. You do not need a dominix, nor do you need an apoc, what you do need to be is not a rank amateur at flying the race you do have the skills for.

Hint : the more dps you do, the steeper the fall in the enemies dps, the less likely your tank endurance is to be called apon, the more likely your capacitor will fit in your cargo bay. Likewise the more you successfully mitigate ewar, the less likely the total damage dealt to you in a mission will be inconsistent and the more likely you won't exceed cap requirements that you can carry in a cargo bay.

and yes, I had to relearn mission to do them with a booster.

Ideally you want a Pith and Gistum 357 Raven. Not some T22 handbag Raven. If you must use a T22, at least make it T.222 that actually has some stopping power.



The same ratios apply to null. People in my alliance shoot 15m ticks on gurista with dominixes, I shoot ~21, skills on character and willingness to thinly tank the ships, and babysit the resources, and select the right targets do in fact matter. (Which is why I find myself out here training skills and enjoying it, because I am not currently getting 30m ticks out of any ship I own, therefore there is actually something for me to do, things to try out here).

As far as losing a missionboat because you were flying aggressively goes, there was a guy with a dual rep domi doing missions and videoing them. At about 8 hours of missioning, I would have ~240m more than him by not flying some horrible dual rep boat. ie by being remarkably slow and scared of losing his ship, he is effectively losing himself a ship every week.

Bastion mode shoulda been Named BEAST MODE lol. it lets you use a simple Tech2 tank thus making the marauder a no value target for gankers.

i use my Vargur's rig slots for rigs that help my guns. It's awesome.

Yeah I have a paladin that basically has three pretty cheap tank mods thanks to bastion mode (no tank mods in rigs) and even that is overtanked at times. Yeah I know the paladin "sucks" compared to the vargur but that character had moved from a tachmare. Reskilling to use the vargur will take a while as it cannot even use t2 large projectiles.

EDIT : When running missions I don't even bother changing tanks as that slows down overall isk per hour noticeably. I run a tank setup that is "good enough" for the missions I plan to blitz.