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I don't see where skill is involved with EVE Online.

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Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-01-31 19:31:52 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
A fitted cyno and a small cruiser gang hot drop would have saved your vexor.

We weren't that pro, lol.

Othran wrote:
The tip for the newbie from that is to move locked targets near the shield/armour/structure indicator so you see them at the same time.

Everyone gets target fixation sometimes :)

I got better at running away, later on. Big smile
Nathan Galbadia
War Eagle Fleet
DECOY
#42 - 2014-01-31 19:37:30 UTC
Moral of the story: You are doing it wrong, OP.

I love taking down an Orca in lowsec with a Vexor when they AFK to the gate.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#43 - 2014-01-31 19:37:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Stopped reading at this point (OP was just too silly):
Gaj Butler wrote:
I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money.

Heh.
Heh Heh.
Heh heh heh heh.
Bwa-hahahah-ahahahahahahhaaaa..!

Ah, you are to become one of these folks whom get their poorly-fit Officer-Equipped ratting Nightmares blown out of space by a small frigate gang. Repeatedly. Twisted
Or maybe you'll be the next to lose many, many PLEX in space. Twisted


I look forward to the rivers of tears that are sure to flow in the future.


(Hint: You don't think skill is involved, try FC'ing a small gang in a roam through Nul/Lo interface systems. It'll open yer eyes.)
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#44 - 2014-01-31 19:42:29 UTC
Embarrassing OP much?
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
#45 - 2014-01-31 19:42:31 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
How did yet another "Star Citizen > Eve" thread make it to a second page?



Star Citizen aka Hangar Offline will surely kill Eve, just like X: Rebirth did.


I wasn't playing EVE when Star Trek Online came out, but wasn't that supposed to kill EVE, too?


It was then they decided that they wouldn't make star trek online but Star Trek skinned crap game online
Nathan Galbadia
War Eagle Fleet
DECOY
#46 - 2014-01-31 19:49:49 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Stopped reading at this point (OP was just too silly):
Gaj Butler wrote:
I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money.

Heh.
Heh Heh.
Heh heh heh heh.
Bwa-hahahah-ahahahahahahhaaaa..!

Ah, you are to become one of these folks whom get their poorly-fit Officer-Equipped ratting Nightmares blown out of space by a small frigate gang. Repeatedly. Twisted
Or maybe you'll be the next to lose many, many PLEX in space. Twisted


I look forward to the rivers of tears that are sure to flow in the future.


(Hint: You don't think skill is involved, try FC'ing a small gang in a roam through Nul/Lo interface systems. It'll open yer eyes.)


Hey! Someone has to fund the supply of PLEX!

PLEX Pilots give both Money to the devs and loot to their attackers, don't chase them off!!
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#47 - 2014-01-31 20:41:45 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I...I can't believe this hasn't been asked yet, so...can I have your stuff?


He is only a couple weeks old. I would think he has nothing to give away.


He might have bought some PLEX, since he thinks it P2W.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#48 - 2014-01-31 20:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Gaj Butler wrote:
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill.

There are dozens of videos on youtube where pilots fight outnumbered and outgunned against a superior force, and win. You're just wrong. And bad.

For example.
Johnson 1044
Johnson Organic Produce
#49 - 2014-01-31 21:25:05 UTC
Just watch some Rooks and Kings videos. That is all.
Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-01-31 22:05:19 UTC
This generic troll gets responded by the generic answer of "there is skill in picking your fights" etc. Thing is, though, you can make more of an impact faster if you buy PLEX and skip the isk grind. Buying PLEX does not detach from your ability. All of this is off the mark though, every single thread.

Let's consider the meaning of competitiveness: You set your goals, if the goals are shared by other people, there is competition. Skill is the ability to reach those goals.

Set a goal of flying a shiny battleship and see if buying PLEX doesn't help. In contrast, set a goal of building something ascetically from the ground up and it's in direct conflict with buying PLEX. Set a goal of leading/counseling the greatest empire in EVE and see how meaningful "pay to win" becomes.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#51 - 2014-01-31 22:19:55 UTC
The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill.

The Tears Must Flow
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#52 - 2014-02-01 00:44:57 UTC
The skill lies in passive training...for a long time...so you can be better. Not just pay to win. Oh wait, if you pay a sub it still is.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#53 - 2014-02-01 00:47:46 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill.

It doesn't if you play against kids in pre-school.

This poster is the type of person who doesn't consider SP difference.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#54 - 2014-02-01 01:02:54 UTC
Gaj Butler wrote:
I've been playing now for a few weeks...


And already whining like a *****. You'll fit in just fine around here, sadly.

Mr Epeen Cool
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#55 - 2014-02-01 05:20:19 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill.

It doesn't if you play against kids in pre-school.

This poster is the type of person who doesn't consider SP difference.


SP doesn't matter, what matters is knowledge.

The Tears Must Flow
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#56 - 2014-02-01 05:27:48 UTC
Quite an epic troll post.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-02-01 05:31:30 UTC
Gaj Butler wrote:

At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.


Posting in not so stealth SC advertisement post.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#58 - 2014-02-01 05:41:32 UTC
How much for a seat on this roflcopter? Smile

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-02-01 05:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Gaj Butler wrote:
I've been playing now for a few weeks...


Cute!! A newbie!!!

Gaj Butler wrote:
...and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.


I have an Ishkur fit that I normally use a faction armour repairer and a storyline tracking disruptor on, but before I started using those, the same fit (with meta 4 tracking disruptor and t2 repper) had killed more than thirty targets, the majority of which were cruisers and battlecruisers, mostly solo.

I remember one fight I had in it against a Wolf. It was a kiting Wolf with MWD and all I had was drones and MWD. It could tank most of my drone damage. To kill it before it killed me, I was gonna have to get closer. Fortunately, the engagement took place in an asteroid field, and I was able to maneuver in such a way that he got caught up on an asteroid and I was able to get into scram range and kill his MWD. He died a few seconds later,* but the fight lasted around 3 - 5 minutes. By the end of the fight, I was sweating, my hands and knees were shaking and I had to remind myself to breathe.

I'm not even going to pretend I'm the greatest PVP'er ever, I know many who are far more proficient than myself, one of which killed a Vindicator in an armour tanking Merlin. But, naturally, I laugh when people try to make it sound like PVP takes no skill. Maybe there are certain styles or situations of PVP that don't take much, but the day a faction AB outdoes any MWD without a little smart flying is the day you might have an argument.

Based on the rest of what you've said though, and your reference to Star Citizen (probably knowing it'll get a rise out of some folk here), I'm assuming you're trolling, and that you know better. Because if you don't know better, then you really must be only a few weeks old. There is nothing about being more financially able that will make you more competitive in EVE Online.

*Killmail included for reference to demonstrate a solo kill was made as described against a kiting Wolf with an Ishkur not specifically fit for dealing with kiting targets.

Too many noobs in this game expecting to make the first jump. That's a Matrix reference for anyone that doesn't get it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#60 - 2014-02-01 06:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Demica Diaz
For me, skill in EVE online isnt about ingame skills or ship sizes. It is about outsmarting your enemy. Predicting what is coming and reacting in way that will benefit you or avoid something that your enemy has planned for you.

Here's one example:

You are hacking data centers in exploration spot. You are alone in system. Someone appears in system and on D-scan you see it is frigate that you know has scanning equipement. Next thing you see probes on D-scan and know that he is scanning site you are in. Then he idles in system for minute and leaves. Moment later you see someone else appeared in system and with ship that is appropriate for combat showing on D-scan. Bells ring and you drop hacking, and cloak up. In secounds combat ship appears on hacking site trying to kill you, but you are already hiding.

Skill in this is that you know that in EVE almost everyone has alt or buddy and it is suspecious that this scanning frigate saw your ship on D-scan (because you were hacking uncloaked), yet it still scanned down site probably leaving bookmark for his PvP ship.

If you did not have that knowledge, you would be dead in your scanning ship.


and this is just one of million examples about skill in EVE. Be smart, but look dumb. Bear