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Corp manufacturing and minimizing theft risk
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Nestor Gobbin
Gobbin Capital
#1 - 2014-01-31 20:35:48 UTC
First of all, I apologise if this is a repost. I tried to post this already, but I'm not seeing it anywhere so I think the Internet ate my post.

Bascially, I would like to make it possible for people (rookies without good BPOs or much working capital, mainly) to manufacture on behalf of my corporation, using my minerals and BPOs and delivering the output to my corp hangar. For this I'd pay them a salary.

Is there any way to set this up without any significant risk of theft? I don't have a POS yet, btw, will have within a month at the latest. So I'm manufacturing at a public station where my corp HQ and corp hangars are.

I already read the articles about corp role management both on the wiki and on eve-university. I know what roles I need to grant. What I need to know if there's any way to grant them *and* avoid a significant risk of theft.

I tried out role granting with a companion. We found that the character who does the job only needs "Query" rights to the hangar where the BPO is, but "Take" rights to get the minerals needed for the job. We tried putting the minerals in a different hangar and give "Take" but not "Query" rights to it, but that didn't work either.

So, is there a way? Also, will it be different when I do get a POS eventually?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2014-01-31 21:28:06 UTC
"significant risk of theft" is vague and subjective.

It obviously doesn't make sense to have take rights without query rights.

Minerals and job output will always be at risk to whomever has take access to the hangar.

The obvious answer is to make BPCs as well as cheap BPOs available in the take hangar.

I believe you can use a locked BPO for research, copy jobs, or manufacturing if the person has take access to a hangar with locked BPOs.

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Nestor Gobbin
Gobbin Capital
#3 - 2014-01-31 21:48:06 UTC
Stealing the BPO isn't the problem. It can be put in a different hangar to which the worker only has "Query" rights. The problem is theft of the minerals.
Xurr
Wasted Potential.
#4 - 2014-01-31 23:35:17 UTC
Make sure you have all the corp shares first.

Beyond that I *think* that anyone that can install the job can also cancel it. While this won't directly give them isk it'll be a loss all the same to you.

Further still if you aren't online for a few or they know you won't be online for a period of time they might try to steal the corp by GM assistance. I'm not saying that would work but I wouldn't put it past a GM to transfer corp ownership if they petitioned for inactivity.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#5 - 2014-01-31 23:54:48 UTC
Xurr wrote:
Make sure you have all the corp shares first.

Beyond that I *think* that anyone that can install the job can also cancel it. While this won't directly give them isk it'll be a loss all the same to you.

Further still if you aren't online for a few or they know you won't be online for a period of time they might try to steal the corp by GM assistance. I'm not saying that would work but I wouldn't put it past a GM to transfer corp ownership if they petitioned for inactivity.




A GM would never grant this and trying to "one up" a CEO like this will earn you some swift punishment for trying to exploit CCP's petition system for your own personal gain.
Thur Barbek
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-02-01 00:58:08 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:


A GM would never grant this and trying to "one up" a CEO like this will earn you some swift punishment for trying to exploit CCP's petition system for your own personal gain.


If the account with the ceo character has been unsubbed for 6+ months (or at GM discretion) you can reasonably petition.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#7 - 2014-02-01 04:29:51 UTC
The easiest way to is subdivide across several POS's, with the people you want able to use that POS having the correct password for that POS but not the others. If you are asking about having many people with the right roles to access the same array in the same POS and the same building materials but somehow having security from them nicking it all..


No, there is no way. Either split them up so each one (or small groups) has a different POS for manufacturing, or just do it in station.
Arsala
Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing.
#8 - 2014-02-01 22:53:19 UTC
just have them tell you there ready to do the job, send them a contract with BPO copy and minerals needed for job and have them run that single job. when done they turn it in for another.
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
#9 - 2014-02-02 14:23:38 UTC
Xurr wrote:
Make sure you have all the corp shares first.

Beyond that I *think* that anyone that can install the job can also cancel it. While this won't directly give them isk it'll be a loss all the same to you.


This was improved in Odyssey 1.0, only the installer or a director/CEO can cancel corp jobs.

Used to be anyone who was capable of installing a job, i.e. one rogue person could wipe out everyone's jobs.

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