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Prospects for the B-R5RB Titan Wreckage - a Scientific Perspective
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IceGuerilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-02-01 02:58:32 UTC
TLDR - realistically, the titan wreck memorial should drift apart and titans float on water!

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-02-01 03:05:19 UTC
Whatever.

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Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-02-01 03:32:48 UTC
tldr: no

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Illyas von Einzbern
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#4 - 2014-02-01 03:39:49 UTC
How massive are the Titans though? Is there any chance that all of the wrecks could coalesce and form a great interstellar tumble weed?
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#5 - 2014-02-01 03:43:49 UTC
Illyas von Einzbern wrote:
How massive are the Titans though? Is there any chance that all of the wrecks could coalesce and form a great interstellar tumble weed?


Yes, I recall reading lore somewhere about how titans were so massive they would effect the tides of a planet when they were in orbit. In theory they would pull each other together, not drift apart as the op suggests.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#6 - 2014-02-01 03:44:06 UTC
Illyas von Einzbern wrote:
How massive are the Titans though? Is there any chance that all of the wrecks could coalesce and form a great interstellar tumble weed?

More likely they're going to form a nice mutual gravitational center, about which they'll dance an Newtonian mazurka. I wonder to what music they'll dance?

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IceGuerilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-02-01 03:46:41 UTC
Illyas von Einzbern wrote:
How massive are the Titans though? Is there any chance that all of the wrecks could coalesce and form a great interstellar tumble weed?

I was thinking of running some Monte Carlo simulations of this, but honestly the gravitational forces between the titans are so tiny compared to the orbital velocity differential that there's no chance for them to coalesce.
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#8 - 2014-02-01 03:51:10 UTC
IceGuerilla wrote:
Illyas von Einzbern wrote:
How massive are the Titans though? Is there any chance that all of the wrecks could coalesce and form a great interstellar tumble weed?

I was thinking of running some Monte Carlo simulations of this, but honestly the gravitational forces between the titans are so tiny compared to the orbital velocity differential that there's no chance for them to coalesce.





Not according to the laws of physics...
they would eventually coalesce with the celestial body they slowly orbit.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#9 - 2014-02-01 03:56:55 UTC
Who gives a flying ****. It's a ******* game not real life. The planets don't even orbit the sun for **** sake.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#10 - 2014-02-01 04:18:05 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Illyas von Einzbern wrote:
How massive are the Titans though? Is there any chance that all of the wrecks could coalesce and form a great interstellar tumble weed?

More likely they're going to form a nice mutual gravitational center, about which they'll dance an Newtonian mazurka. I wonder to what music they'll dance?

Music of the Spheres..? Lol
Xurr
Wasted Potential.
#11 - 2014-02-01 04:18:55 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Who gives a flying ****. It's a ******* game not real life. The planets don't even orbit the sun for **** sake.


I dunno, i'll just take a stab at this but maybe they are playing a space ship game because they are interested in space ships.

So they give a darn and neither they nor i have a space ship so this is about as close as it gets.

You also seem to care as you took time out of your day to tell us how little you cared.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#12 - 2014-02-01 10:37:13 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Who gives a flying ****. It's a ******* game not real life. The planets don't even orbit the sun for **** sake.

I care just because I have an inquisitive mind. Perhaps you do not.

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#13 - 2014-02-01 14:02:50 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
More likely they're going to form a nice mutual gravitational center, about which they'll dance an Newtonian mazurka. I wonder to what music they'll dance?


I'd say this is the most likely, Titans are about 15 to 18 km long (and with would be approximately 1km, wider/thinner depending on titan)
That's larger then your regular asteroids in the solarsystem belt, add to it the small distance towards each other, and it's likely they'll dance a wonderful slow gravitational ballet as they orbit the sun, with sometimes a wreck slowly flung out. Eventually, they'll either collide or drift apart after a long time.

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IceGuerilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-02-01 14:22:37 UTC
With regards to titans coalescing due to their gravitational pull:
A titan, with a stated mass of 2.28×10^9kg, would cause objects at a conservatively close distance of 5km to accelerate towards it at a rate of 6×10^-9m/s². It would take them a year to accelerate to a measly speed of 0.2m/s. In free space, they would indeed eventually drift together. However, they are orbiting very close to a gas giant and their freefall acceleration is 9.26m/s², a billion times faster! Their mutual attraction is nothing compared to the pull of this planet.

With regards to falling into the planet:
As I stated, titans are actually not very dense at all. Much less dense than a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. As such, when their orbits inevitably decay due to drag (not mentioned in article), they will fall into the gas giant. However, until they begin breaking up and taking on external atmosphere, they will remain buoyant like zeppelins.

With regards to leaving the planet:
To leave the gravitational pull of the planet from their current position, they need to have an escape velocity of 25.7km/s.