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[Rubicon 1.3] New way of acquiring the Astero, Stratios and Nestor

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#61 - 2014-01-31 18:22:18 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Hello

I made a small announcement last night on the 1.1 live stream but I'm sure many of you missed that so I wanted to make a post to let as many of you know as possible.

We've been thinking for awhile about the issue of cost to power ratio for the Sisters of EVE ships, and especially the Nestor. A lot of your feedback has been on this issue, with a large focus on how difficult it is to justify paying the price of the Nestor, and we tend to agree. There are a few reasons we ended up in this position to begin with. The first is that we wanted to set the high sec LP offers for these ships above normal pirate faction LP prices. This still stands and the reason is very simple; you should get a better deal for pirate faction ships when you take the risk of leaving high sec. The second piece, which ties with the first, is that Sisters of EVE LP is very valuable because of demand for Sisters Probe Launchers and implant sets. That means the ISK conversion on ships like the Nestor would never be worthwhile as long as demand for probe launchers was higher, which will likely always be the case. Last, we could have tried to make the Nestor powerful enough to justify the huge price-tag. We really didn't want to go with this option and create a ship basically in a class of its own which would cause a lot of balance headaches.

So, here's what we're going to do: starting in the next major Rubicon patch (which I don't have a date for, but is not very far off), Rogue Drones will start occasionally dropping nexus chips which you will be able to trade in at any Sisters of EVE agent for a one-run BPC of either a Nestor, Stratios or Astero. The chips will be called Rogue Drone 46-X Nexus Chip, Rogue Drone 43-X Nexus Chip and Rogue Drone 42-X Nexus Chip respectively, and they will drop at a very similar rate to other pirate faction BPC drops in null sec.

This should provide a nice pressure valve for the prices on Sisters of EVE ships and also give a little boost to the drone regions, two things we are happy about.

Have fun out there and take care of all those new people this weekend Big smile


Hi Rise is it possible to do this for other stuff too?

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#62 - 2014-01-31 18:50:49 UTC
JackEuchre wrote:
I would agree except Sentinent drones spawn in Hierarchies which spawn in ALL areas of Eve, not just drone regions. Just saying, I see drone site anomalies everywhere I go. When in Drone regions, I don't see Angel sites though. I don't see Guristas sites.


Are sentient spawns guaranteed, or are they like every other unrated site?

Furthermore, Rise said that the chips will have similar drop rates to ship bpcs from other pirates. That is an extremely low drop rate, and those sentient drones are still lacking in the rest of the loot table that other npcs have. However, the loot table mechanics are a black box, it could be that having less junk in the loot table makes them drop more often, contrary to what Rise said. For example, if it first rolls to check number of drops, then rolls separately to select them.

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Zapp McDouche
Black Spot on Parchment
#63 - 2014-01-31 18:54:21 UTC
Well i thought it looked odd that the sisters of eve ships didnt need any chips to pluck out like some other items.
What if you added sisters of eve drone mods when you add the nexus chips? To give the soe some ship mods that would fit well with their ships? Blink
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#64 - 2014-01-31 19:18:36 UTC
SOE level 4 agents to hisec was the big problem, not this.

Good change.

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#65 - 2014-01-31 19:28:04 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Hello

I made a small announcement last night on the 1.1 live stream but I'm sure many of you missed that so I wanted to make a post to let as many of you know as possible.

We've been thinking for awhile about the issue of cost to power ratio for the Sisters of EVE ships, and especially the Nestor. A lot of your feedback has been on this issue, with a large focus on how difficult it is to justify paying the price of the Nestor, and we tend to agree. There are a few reasons we ended up in this position to begin with. The first is that we wanted to set the high sec LP offers for these ships above normal pirate faction LP prices. This still stands and the reason is very simple; you should get a better deal for pirate faction ships when you take the risk of leaving high sec. The second piece, which ties with the first, is that Sisters of EVE LP is very valuable because of demand for Sisters Probe Launchers and implant sets. That means the ISK conversion on ships like the Nestor would never be worthwhile as long as demand for probe launchers was higher, which will likely always be the case. Last, we could have tried to make the Nestor powerful enough to justify the huge price-tag. We really didn't want to go with this option and create a ship basically in a class of its own which would cause a lot of balance headaches.

So, here's what we're going to do: starting in the next major Rubicon patch (which I don't have a date for, but is not very far off), Rogue Drones will start occasionally dropping nexus chips which you will be able to trade in at any Sisters of EVE agent for a one-run BPC of either a Nestor, Stratios or Astero. The chips will be called Rogue Drone 46-X Nexus Chip, Rogue Drone 43-X Nexus Chip and Rogue Drone 42-X Nexus Chip respectively, and they will drop at a very similar rate to other pirate faction BPC drops in null sec.

This should provide a nice pressure valve for the prices on Sisters of EVE ships and also give a little boost to the drone regions, two things we are happy about.

Have fun out there and take care of all those new people this weekend Big smile


what about the emergency responder stratios?

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#66 - 2014-01-31 19:33:04 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Oh, and Rise, another thing.

Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs.
Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream.


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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#67 - 2014-01-31 19:35:33 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Why do the Sisters want drone chips?

edit: Wait, so the SoE ships' drone bonus comes from salvaged Rogue Drone technology? This isn't going to end well, is it?


gonna be a whole fleet of HAL's :P

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#68 - 2014-01-31 19:37:04 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
wtb: rogue drone or fed navy DDAs


iirc there is already officer DDA's but yes maybe fed navy ones may be nice.

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#69 - 2014-01-31 19:42:28 UTC
KiithSoban wrote:
Woah, hold on here. The price of the strat is in a very good place.

However, the price of the Nestor needs to be more in the range of 1.2 bil to 900mil. Also, the astero could receive a 20% reduction in cost.

*This bias is brought to you by a player training his alt to run lvl4s for sisters, who currently runs relics in null on that same alt and would be more excited to see individual players fight in such sites. Also, my main fights in 10-20 man WH and lowsec gangs. I fully appreciate the power of the strat relative to that of other dps ships that can cloak.*


astero needs ot be like 60-75m
stratios needs to be like.. 150-250m
nestor needs to be no more then 800m

cause if these conditions arnt really met then people will just use T2 or T3 ships instead.

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The Ironfist
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2014-01-31 19:50:46 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.

I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships.


Hello Rise,

Do you plan to add them to the loot table of Drone Complex's given that they are pretty much worthless these days? After all they only drop T2 salvage which had its value greatly reduced due to the profession site changes. It would be great if 8/10 to 10/10 drop have a chance to drop the Nestor chip much the same as Angel/Sansha/Serpentis and Blood Raider 8/10 to 10/10 have a chance to drop faction battleship BPC's.

That would bring plexing in the drones a bit more in line with the rest of nullsec. I mean Drone Region Ratting and Exploration will still be utter **** and only half what the rest of nullsec has to offer but it would be a step in the right direction.
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
Mean Coalition
#71 - 2014-01-31 19:51:24 UTC
A pretty pointless change. There isn't even a reason to discuss power levels vs price when it comes to the nestor. What the ship really needs is a real concept instead of throwing a bunch of bonuses on the hull and hoping it will be useful for anything. The concept is just plain bad and should be redone with a real goal in mind, what the hull should do in eve later down the road. And/also where it would be a good alternative to current options(regardless of price, that can be discussed once the concept is actually solid and goes with proper fitting, slot layout, bonuses and cap to fulfil a useful role).

Also there was not a single good reason to put the 600k LP price tag on it to begin with. Not a single empire faction BS is cost effective to produce at the rate(thx to FW) and most pirate faction BS come from BPCs from belts and plexes, since they are also not the most effective way to covert LP.

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Marsan
#72 - 2014-01-31 19:53:49 UTC
Honestly while this will devalue the SoE in the short term the SoE LP cach cow was going away sooner or later as the number of HS mission runners would increase until it's LP was worth about average. Personally it's starting to look like it's time to restock my launchers and probes. Personally I think it's time to take a break from the SoE missions and run the SoE again to finally finish repairing my Gallente faction.

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Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#73 - 2014-01-31 20:08:50 UTC
At least now I have a reason to do drone sites all around Eve instead of ignoring them all like I do in HS/low/null as it stands now.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#74 - 2014-01-31 20:16:09 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Heres an idea?

ORE Buys the unused Nestors from The Sisters of eve, As they made so many.What?

They fit them with a Strip miner Bonus , 2 damage bonused Lasers, same logi

Set the ship maintenance bay that never got fitted to carry a few mining barges.

Instant NINJA Wormhole mining fleet with low mass for high level C4/5/6

Kill the rats, Mine , dock, and extract to safety.

Paint them black and you're done.

Emergent gameplay and good fights too.

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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#75 - 2014-01-31 20:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Cheaper stratios's for all. Neat. Big smile

Also, this won't change the fact that no one in their right mind will use the nestor.
--After the omnidirectional tracking nerfs, Domi's are objectively better at any and every from of PvE (and any Non-AT form of PvP).
--Guardians are an objectively better logi platform. Particularly in the key areas of cap dependance and survivabillity.
--No one is going to field a nestor if a fleet of Domis and Guardians (or just Domis for that matter) is objectively better.

Still though, thanks for the cheaper stratios. Cool
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#76 - 2014-01-31 20:23:21 UTC
I just read Grath's confirmation of PL evac'ing to the Drone Regions.
Remarkably convenient for PL that Rise decides to gift the Drone Regions, and screw high sec.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#77 - 2014-01-31 20:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read Grath's confirmation of PL evac'ing to the Drone Regions.
Remarkably convenient for PL that Rise decides to gift the Drone Regions, and screw high sec.

There it is!
That was worth the wait.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#78 - 2014-01-31 20:50:14 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read Grath's confirmation of PL evac'ing to the Drone Regions.
Remarkably convenient for PL that Rise decides to gift the Drone Regions, and screw high sec.


Confirming that Nestcats are on track to replace Slowcats.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2014-01-31 21:04:26 UTC
This is a good change, but not for the reason Rise thinks it is.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#80 - 2014-01-31 21:08:19 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read Grath's confirmation of PL evac'ing to the Drone Regions.
Remarkably convenient for PL that Rise decides to gift the Drone Regions, and screw high sec.


Confirming that Nestcats are on track to replace Slowcats.


Nah, but PL pilots will be soon be going ka-ching with every Sentient Drone drop.
The individual and alliance coffers will soon be brimming again.

But makes you wonder, whatever happened to all that rental income in the first place.
If the BOTLrd agreement was designed to protect PL's income streams, where is that all that ISK that they have been collecting so far?